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It has been most interesting to me to see on my facebook feed that the people who support Trump are the same ones that consistently bullied me and several of my friends throughout my K-8 grade experience during the 80's. These are people that truly made going to school a horrible, horrifying experience and having reconnected with them so many years later I had hope that with the silly posturing of grade school and middle school far behind us we would have positive, intelligent relationships. Instead I see them regularly post inciteful, hateful, and bigoted positions on just about ever topic that hits our culture. Is this my microcosmic perception, or have other people encountered this same phenomena?



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I'm not even scared. The guy's the president not the king of america. He doesn't get voted in and just get to do whatever he wants. Otherwise Obama would have done a lot more stuff then what he did.



Azuren said:
Not even gonna bother if he tries to make the point that one is worse than the other because I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils. Gary Johnson has my vote.

It's sad that this is the choice people are focing themselves to choose between. Just vote Gary Johnson and really prove a point. All anyone says is "he has no chance of winning". Of course not because everyone says that. Stop treating the voting system as a win or lose situation vote for who you truly believe is the best of all the avaliable canidates and let the chips fall where they may.



super_etecoon said:
It has been most interesting to me to see on my facebook feed that the people who support Trump are the same ones that consistently bullied me and several of my friends throughout my K-8 grade experience during the 80's. These are people that truly made going to school a horrible, horrifying experience and having reconnected with them so many years later I had hope that with the silly posturing of grade school and middle school far behind us we would have positive, intelligent relationships. Instead I see them regularly post inciteful, hateful, and bigoted positions on just about ever topic that hits our culture. Is this my microcosmic perception, or have other people encountered this same phenomena?

What's interesting to me is that you have these people as friends on FB.



Slimebeast said:

The thing is that I agree with most of Sam Harris arguments in principle, Trump is a rude, anti-intellectual moron, I just put different weight on the gravity of those issues and therefore arrive at a different conclusion. The good offsets the bad, which is essentially that Trump canalizes so much of sane ideas that are urgently needed as a counter-weight in an increasingly cultural marxist Western world. And I believe that in office as the President of USA, the big system around him would restrict Trump from doing much of the radical unrealistic stuff, and while in power he would take on a much more mature, pragmatic and responsible role.

But on the other hand Trump's crazy personality could very well be detrimental to the whole conservative movement though, which is why I'm not entirely sure if it's best that he actually gets into office. Perhaps a successful campaign to raise these questions up on the agenda in the public discussion, him losing the election and then a more articulate intellectual taking over the mission for the future would be a much better option.

He actualy talks about political correctness in the video aswell.  Sam Harris is largely against political correctness because it can harm critical debate (a point that I agree with him on) but as he says in the video "Being a bully, and a braggart, and a buffoon is not the only way to disavow political correctness."

 

Oh, and you use the term 'Cultural Marxism' alot, and if you wouldn't mind, I'd like you to expand on what you mean by that. Because my experience with that term is largely connected to white-nationalism and anti-semitism.



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method114 said:
Azuren said:
Not even gonna bother if he tries to make the point that one is worse than the other because I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils. Gary Johnson has my vote.

It's sad that this is the choice people are focing themselves to choose between. Just vote Gary Johnson and really prove a point. All anyone says is "he has no chance of winning". Of course not because everyone says that. Stop treating the voting system as a win or lose situation vote for who you truly believe is the best of all the avaliable canidates and let the chips fall where they may.

Our political system effectively keeps Johnson or any other third party from winning. This is a winner takes all system where votes are apportioned by arbitrary voting districts. The losing parties don't get proportional representation. 

And there's a lot more at stake than the Oval Office. The Oval Office is not an insignificant prize with its  but it's the tip of the iceberg. The next President is likely to have the opportunity to shape the Supreme Court profoundly, since most of the Justices are in their late 70s or early 80s, in addition to the seat vacated by Scalia. Then there is also the matter of Congress. I have zero respect for Congress at this point, and until sanity returns to the legislative branch I want a president who will readily use his or her veto pen to rein in the insanity in Congress. So there you are. You might not agree with me, so be it. Do our choices suck? Yes. But regardless of suckage, on January 20th, either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump will be taking the oath of office. 

i also think these third parties have no right to expect Americans to just turn over the reins of national government to then just because they are neither A nor B. They really need to start proving themselves and their policies, and the way to do that is to start at the bottom. They need to start small. Win a few mayor or city council elections. Then win a few elections for county sheriff, county commissioner, or county executive. Then on to state legislatures/General Assemblies. Then the governor's mansion. And then the US House and Senate. Show your ideas at work locally. Making Hail Mary grabs at the White House is a waste of time and money. 



Mummelmann said:
Does it really need explaining at this point? Whomever haven't realized this at this point will never be convinced, regardless of how articulate and valid the arguments are.

The fact that it has to be explained is troubling enough as it is. Either people are ignorant at politics or they fall for that sheep mentality, like "keeping up with the Jones's" when anybody with a common sense should know Trump does not belong in politics. 

 

Should he win, anything is up for grabs when you take into account the Patriot Act. This goes for Hillary, too, for that matter.

 

Off-topic: I honestly think it all went downward when Nixon first remove the value of gold against the U.S. dollar. Then the Watergate scandal... which he got pardoned for. 

Next is when, imo, Reagan brought in the business world into politics because, honestly, he never was a president. If anything, he "acted" like A President.

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method114 said:
super_etecoon said:
It has been most interesting to me to see on my facebook feed that the people who support Trump are the same ones that consistently bullied me and several of my friends throughout my K-8 grade experience during the 80's. These are people that truly made going to school a horrible, horrifying experience and having reconnected with them so many years later I had hope that with the silly posturing of grade school and middle school far behind us we would have positive, intelligent relationships. Instead I see them regularly post inciteful, hateful, and bigoted positions on just about ever topic that hits our culture. Is this my microcosmic perception, or have other people encountered this same phenomena?

What's interesting to me is that you have these people as friends on FB.

Well I'd feel a bit vindictive if I just unfriended them for having different views.  I didn't know them in adulthood until they friended me back when facebook first took off amongst the masses.  Many of them never post and it has just been during this political storm that so many have voiced their opinions.  The correlation is unsettling and at the same time gives me an understanding of my childhood that I didn't see when I was younger.  



I don't want Trump to win. But people act as if he's a horrible person, when all he does is saying inappropriate things in public.

Do you know what speaks louder than Trump's words? Actions.

Obama and Hillary after him, will continue to shake hands and sign multi billion dollar deals with the likes of oppressive regimes like Saudi Arabia. A country infested with sexism, homophobia, public beheadings and fucking crucifixions. Exactly what ISIS does. But since the US is in bed with Al of Saud, the media chooses to turn a blind eye. It's so hypocritical it hurts.



LurkerJ said:

I don't want Trump to win. But people act as if he's a horrible person, when all he does is saying inappropriate things in public.

Do you know what speaks louder than Trump's words? Actions.

Obama and Hillary after him, will continue to shake hands and sign multi billion dollar deals with the likes of oppressive regimes like Saudi Arabia. A country infested with sexism, homophobia, public beheadings and fucking crucifixions. Exactly what ISIS does. But since the US is in bed with Al of Saud, the media chooses to turn a blind eye. It's so hypocritical it hurts.

Trump's policy on Saudi Arabia wouldn't be any different. Well depending on the time of day anyway, since he changes his mind on things every 15 minutes like a spastic child who can't decide which flavor of ice cream he wants.