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ultima said:
vivster said:

You will add to the Chinese economy anyway^^

Note doesn't seem to be Samsung's flagship anymore. It's just a bigger screen with no noticeable other improvements over the S7. That's why it had the expandable storage, because it was the same hardware in a bigger case. Now after this disaster they may even abandon the line.

I think the physical reductions are here to stay. At the cutting edge they are always looking for more room inside the case, be it for battery or more chips. Now even more because they've reached the size equilibrium. Human hands and pockets are not going to be bigger so flagship phones will stay within the 5-6" range.

It's easily imaginable that they transit to phones with no physical input at all. They will just ship every phone with a wireless docking station that will handle power and data transfer. That's probably the dream of both Apple and Samsung. Just imagine the free space inside the case and how easy it will be to make it waterproof. Also to make true unibody cases with no cracks or openings at all.

I wouldn't mind that future at all because I'm already using no cables on my phone at all.

Note is Samsung's flagship, just like their S lineup. Has been for a very very long time, and, in fact, Apple has adopted Samsung's lineup configuration since iPhone 6. There is absolutely NO chance Samsung will kill Note off. And it definitely has noticeable extra features that S phones lack, you should do your research.

The room argument (just like Apple's "courage" comment) is complete BS in the headphone jack case. It's plain and simple poor design. Most people own headphones with an analog connector, and now they must use an extra adapter if they want that stuff to work with their iPhone. Unless they need to charge their phone at the same time... In which case you can get a bulky dock from Apple for the low price of $60 (WTF???). Apple is indeed courageous here; for no other company would have the balls to deliberately fuck over their consumers like that.

The completely wireless future is actually already here. Many phones have wireless charging and never have to be plugged into anything to operate. As far as I know, Samsung's flagships have implemented wireless charging for several generations now; they also happen to have all the standard physical ports AND are waterproof. Your true unibody comment makes me laugh: aside from being a complete bitch to repair, you'd have a Faraday cage in your hands lol.

Now going back to the topic at hand, iPhone 7's new button is indeed badly designed. According to you, "If you don't have touchscreen gloves you won't be able to operate the phone either even if you can press the home button." (This is actually not even true, many Samsung and Nokia devices are equipped with touchscreens that are sensitive enough to work with gloves.) The problem is that the new buttons don't work with conductive gloves that are designed for touchscreens. You NEED to press the home button to be able to enter the passcode to get access to your phone. I hope you see why this is troublesome now.

Last time I heard the iPhone 7 has a physical screen on/off button. That should work with gloves.



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vivster said:
ultima said:

Note is Samsung's flagship, just like their S lineup. Has been for a very very long time, and, in fact, Apple has adopted Samsung's lineup configuration since iPhone 6. There is absolutely NO chance Samsung will kill Note off. And it definitely has noticeable extra features that S phones lack, you should do your research.

The room argument (just like Apple's "courage" comment) is complete BS in the headphone jack case. It's plain and simple poor design. Most people own headphones with an analog connector, and now they must use an extra adapter if they want that stuff to work with their iPhone. Unless they need to charge their phone at the same time... In which case you can get a bulky dock from Apple for the low price of $60 (WTF???). Apple is indeed courageous here; for no other company would have the balls to deliberately fuck over their consumers like that.

The completely wireless future is actually already here. Many phones have wireless charging and never have to be plugged into anything to operate. As far as I know, Samsung's flagships have implemented wireless charging for several generations now; they also happen to have all the standard physical ports AND are waterproof. Your true unibody comment makes me laugh: aside from being a complete bitch to repair, you'd have a Faraday cage in your hands lol.

Now going back to the topic at hand, iPhone 7's new button is indeed badly designed. According to you, "If you don't have touchscreen gloves you won't be able to operate the phone either even if you can press the home button." (This is actually not even true, many Samsung and Nokia devices are equipped with touchscreens that are sensitive enough to work with gloves.) The problem is that the new buttons don't work with conductive gloves that are designed for touchscreens. You NEED to press the home button to be able to enter the passcode to get access to your phone. I hope you see why this is troublesome now.

Last time I heard the iPhone 7 has a physical screen on/off button. That should work with gloves.

No, like I said, you have to press the home button if you want to enter the passcode.



           

There are those specialized gloves and styluses that do respond to the screen, no?



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Johnw1104 said:

I have the iPhone 7 and really, really like it lol

The speakers are remarkably loud now, the home button is actually quite cool (it has that tactile thing so it does "click" and vibrate when on) and it's capable of reading your thumb print so you needn't bother with typing in a password.

Otherwise, I like the wireless earbuds (especially as it apparently made room for the improved speakers) and it came packaged with an adapter and wired earbuds for those who want to use them. As a person who's been using iTunes for over a decade now and their App Store for about a decade, both remain a convenient and easy way of keeping all my stuff uniform across my devices and computers.

The screen is beautiful, the battery life greatly improved, the storage was greatly increased, it simply runs remarkably fast with no noticeable lag, the backup cloud is a very easy way to avoid losing photos and docs, it's water resistant (finally), it seems to handle the internet better than any phone I've tried (it's easily working with vgchartz now which was never the case before lol), the camera still the best on the market among smart phones... I know it's in fashion to hate everything apple does and I have my own complaints (still seems fragile/designed to slip out of pocket/don't like power button on side), but this is truly a superb phone. I don't understand why everyone has to get so darn angry about it lol

I aactually like the 7 though. The button simply bothered me 

 



 

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The lack of a headphone jack isn't a problem because it comes with an adaptor for 3.5mm headphones.



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The only thing I could imagine bugging me with the iphone 7 over my current iphone 6 plus are the rare occasions I would want to use earphones and charge at the same time.

Not a fan of ios 10 though... Pointless cosmetic changes which I don't see as being better, possible improvements to things I don't use and (most annoyingly on my iphone 6 plus) requiring I push the home button to unlock after I scan my finger print rather than simply scanning my finger print.



Intrinsic said:
A_C_E said:
The iPhone is now more water resistant hence the removal of the home button. It's now a home touch finger sensor pad thingy so water can't seep into the button.

I can probably show you 7 phones released over the past 3 yrs (or three years before this iPhone) that had home/power buttons and even slots for SD cards/headphone jack and even a dedicated camera button...... all the while being "water resistant".

Cool...



vivster said:

You will add to the Chinese economy anyway^^


True. But at-least none will be going to the USA. ;)

vivster said:

Note doesn't seem to be Samsung's flagship anymore. It's just a bigger screen with no noticeable other improvements over the S7. That's why it had the expandable storage, because it was the same hardware in a bigger case. Now after this disaster they may even abandon the line.


The note is still a Flagship, it's even priced as one, but it's designed to be for power-users, the S-Pen has a ton of practical uses for power users/artists and professionals, that's not a market you simply throw away, the disaster can happen with any lineup, heck Sony had exploding battery's years ago.


vivster said:

I think the physical reductions are here to stay. At the cutting edge they are always looking for more room inside the case, be it for battery or more chips. Now even more because they've reached the size equilibrium. Human hands and pockets are not going to be bigger so flagship phones will stay within the 5-6" range.


I'm happy to go bigger. I use my devices less for Phone calls and more for 2 handed operation anyway. (Or 1 handed when it's mounted to my Bicycle/Motobike/Ebike.)
I actually wanted a 6-6.5" or larger phone rather than only 5.7" that I settled with due to the lack of high-end devices in those sizes.

vivster said:

It's easily imaginable that they transit to phones with no physical input at all. They will just ship every phone with a wireless docking station that will handle power and data transfer. That's probably the dream of both Apple and Samsung. Just imagine the free space inside the case and how easy it will be to make it waterproof. Also to make true unibody cases with no cracks or openings at all.

I wouldn't mind that future at all because I'm already using no cables on my phone at all.

Yeah. But we are also not there yet.

I would like a cable-free-future. However... Wireless charging doesn't recharge your device over a distance, you need to place the device on a "Plate" of sorts which has coils.
I had wireless charging 3-4 years ago with the old Lumia 920, loved it then as much as I do now (I adopted the tech earlier than most Android users.) but it has a few caveats.

I am not a fan of peripherals being rechargeable though, my mice, keyboards, headphones are all cabled so I don't have to worry about recharging or battery's. - It's convenient, just plug and play.

As for waterproofing, if you want something you can take swimming, then buy a phone with that capability built in, being lightly waterproof/resistent is enough for 99% of users, more people would be interested in being able to plug their headphones in rather than being able to take their phones scuba diving.

For a completely wireless future though, Wireless charging needs to be able to recharge your peripherals while you use them, then it will catch on in my opinion. Tesla did say it was possible though, so there is that.



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vivster said:
Ruler said:

if so thats still two giant fuck ups in one for 800€

We live in a time where we have to accept small fuckups to not get our hand blown up from another phone^^

difference is that this will be/is fixed.

Iphone is fucked for forever unless Apple actually makes a a step back in the next 2 years or so, i doubt they do by how arrogant and cocky they are



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The only thing I could imagine bugging me with the iphone 7 over my current iphone 6 plus are the rare occasions I would want to use earphones and charge at the same time.

Not a fan of ios 10 though... Pointless cosmetic changes which I don't see as being better, possible improvements to things I don't use and (most annoyingly on my iphone 6 plus) requiring I push the home button to unlock after I scan my finger print rather than simply scanning my finger print.

Not sure if you know about this, but if you go into Settings->General->Accessibility->Home Button then you can set the option "Rest Finger to Open" to On. That will allow you to get into your iPhone without having to actually push the home button. 

http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/09/30/ios-10-tips-revert-touch-id-from-press-home-to-wake-back-to-rest-to-wake

It makes it much easier to get into your phone as you don't have to actually push the button to get into your phone. On my 7 plus, I just have to lift up my phone and place my finger on the home button, it works great again. I'm not sure why they made the other way, the default option. It screwed me up after I first installed ios 10 on the 6s plus I had before. 




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