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Jumpin on 21 September 2016
deskpro2k3 said:
ohmylanta1003 said:

I don't know what country your from, but the way you said it, most people would assume that you meant the cost to purchase the components. Don't act like the guy that responded to you is stupid. He only answered the question like he should have. Also, you never provided a source. Also, who the hell cares about how much money it costs to literally put together? Why does that mean anything?

 

If you want to discuss about semantics and the logic concerned with meaning, then lets discuss about that through PM.

Let me clear something up with you now though. Nobody responded to me, but he did said my statement was a lie to the guy that asked the question, which I then later proved it to be correct. Now don't assume what I said to him to be negative, but let me tell you this, right now you're the one being combative, and If you want to continue, you know where to go.

Probably a lost in translation error. I see you're American. If you were talking to someone in Europe, anywhere, the cost of manufacturing something always includes the price of the parts. Excluding the cost of the parts is meaningless, as that is factored into the cost of the final product.



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Ruler on 21 September 2016
Jranation said:
We are comparing a phone to a console?

i didnt started to do this, the sensitive gaming community did 



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deskpro2k3 on 21 September 2016
Jumpin said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

If you want to discuss about semantics and the logic concerned with meaning, then lets discuss about that through PM.

Let me clear something up with you now though. Nobody responded to me, but he did said my statement was a lie to the guy that asked the question, which I then later proved it to be correct. Now don't assume what I said to him to be negative, but let me tell you this, right now you're the one being combative, and If you want to continue, you know where to go.

Probably a lost in translation error. I see you're American. If you were talking to someone in Europe, anywhere, the cost of manufacturing something always includes the price of the parts. Excluding the cost of the parts is meaningless, as that is factored into the cost of the final product.

 

You're the man Jumpin. Thanks for that explaination.



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DonFerrari on 21 September 2016
Ruler said:
Jranation said:
We are comparing a phone to a console?

i didnt started to do this, the sensitive gaming community did 

I remember the number of people that tried to put down the sales of PS4 by comparing it to iPhone 6.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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Landguy on 21 September 2016
DonFerrari said:

I also can't understand this shit... paying 800 USD every year for a phone (because a lot of people do upgrade every 6mo to 1y) while complaining about the price of a console at 400 that you change every 5y (for me the price of SW is a much bigger hassle) and only wanting to buy when it reaches 200.

The only problem is what you mention, the cost of the games.  If we are to try to somehow compare a PS4 and an Iphone7, we would have to look at the cost of ownership to play games.  The games on the PS4 are mostly $50+.  The games on an iphone are $10 or less.  If a person buys 10 PS4 games a year at $50 it equals $500.  The same for the iphone would be $100.  That makes up for the cost pretty quickly...

Now, if we were to try and compare all of the other things each device does along with form factors, we would really have to go crazy.  With the PS4, you would have to buy a tv, extra controllers etc...  THe list for each device would be quite large and have no real meaning.

 

I guess we should just ignore this concept alltogether!



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globalisateur on 21 September 2016
Chazore said:
archer9234 said:

Another thing. Shrink the PS4 down. Add a screen, figure out a way to run it with no fan cooling, have 256GB Flash onboard. It will then be $800-1000. The price is high, yeah. Not denying that. But the design and small scale does cause the product to be expensive.

This. Also I find it random how we're comparing a mobile phone device to a gaming console. The mobile phone is first and foremost a phone, not a gaming device. We may as well compare a PS4P to a car or anything else at this point and it would be absurd. 

Let's compare it to a phone then: $800 to pass a phone call (or SMS, Internet browsing, etc.) when a $100 phone could do the same exact job?

No 100$ hardware could allow you to play Driveclub VR.

That's very different.



DonFerrari on 21 September 2016
Landguy said:
DonFerrari said:

I also can't understand this shit... paying 800 USD every year for a phone (because a lot of people do upgrade every 6mo to 1y) while complaining about the price of a console at 400 that you change every 5y (for me the price of SW is a much bigger hassle) and only wanting to buy when it reaches 200.

The only problem is what you mention, the cost of the games.  If we are to try to somehow compare a PS4 and an Iphone7, we would have to look at the cost of ownership to play games.  The games on the PS4 are mostly $50+.  The games on an iphone are $10 or less.  If a person buys 10 PS4 games a year at $50 it equals $500.  The same for the iphone would be $100.  That makes up for the cost pretty quickly...

Now, if we were to try and compare all of the other things each device does along with form factors, we would really have to go crazy.  With the PS4, you would have to buy a tv, extra controllers etc...  THe list for each device would be quite large and have no real meaning.

 

I guess we should just ignore this concept alltogether!

Well, we can buy games for less than 10 USD that play better than phones games, but that isn't really the point. When you expend 60 bucks on games (likely buying 3-4 per year for normal people, 1-2 for low usage and 10+ for hardcores) it's pretty silly to complain about 300-400 tag on the HW.

But the point is that 300 for console to use for 6 years is nothing (like one game a year cost) versus a phone for 800 to change in the next year, but somehow people want to say consoles are expensive and cells aren't (I do agree that the hobby itself can be expensive).

globalisateur said:
Chazore said:

This. Also I find it random how we're comparing a mobile phone device to a gaming console. The mobile phone is first and foremost a phone, not a gaming device. We may as well compare a PS4P to a car or anything else at this point and it would be absurd. 

Let's compare it to a phone then: $800 to pass a phone call (or SMS, Internet browsing, etc.) when a $100 phone could do the same exact job?

No 100$ hardware could allow you to play Driveclub VR.

That's very different.

You do have a point. even if we go a little further and have 200 phone so you can use app and wpp/fb you would have to go for last gen hw to find a console under 200 and the difference in operation would be night and day.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

dr3b on 21 September 2016

I don't want the 7, but its the same price as a flagship Samsung or top model from other manufacturers. What phone would you suggest, that has top of the line specs and is so much cheaper.

Not trying to be sarcastic, but I actually need a new phone



toot1231 on 21 September 2016

The no head phone jack really pisses me off
I fucking hate hearing degenerates play their shitty music as way above acceptable volumes in public on the rinky dink iphone speakers that sound like absolute trash.. Now the norm will start to become all the people who don't want to will be forced too in the future.



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torok on 21 September 2016
Captain_Yuri said:

Well... It actually wasn't the Note 7 that exploded on that kid's hand. It was something else I believe. But the removable of the headphone jack is nonsense and it is a more of an inconvience for a longer period of time than the Note 7 Situation. Yes those batteries were badly engineered hence why Samsung is replacing the phones with batteries that don't suck. The phone itself isn't badly enginnered and its Camera even beats the iphone 7's camera in virtually all comparisons.

No one is denying the Note 7 isn't a disaster but it is a disaster that will be replaced soon enough. What won't is the lack of a headphone jack. Yes you get an adapter but it is an incovience for the life of the device. You can't charge it while listening to music and considering it effectively requires you to unplug and replug when you want to listen/charge, it will decrease the amount of times the port will allow you to plug and unplug before it dies. So essentially, it cuts the life of the port by a lot since there is always a certain amount of times you can unplug/plug a connection into a port. Oh and of course, people will lose the adapter since it is so tiny and will have to get replacement ones. On top of that, Apple will require companies to get a license for lighting port in order to make wired headphones to work with the iphone 7 which will increase the price of the wired headphones if you want to use the lighting port.

Well, dealing with an adapter is better than 2nd degree burns. As for the jack, it's simply outdated. If companies listened to people crying because an old tech had to go, we still would have floppy drives on our notebooks.We have to deal with adaptors, but getting better sound is a nice plus. The life of the port isn't even a big issue, 3.5 jacks also break. Anyway, we replace our phones frequently enough to simply not care about this.

The problem isn't removing the jack. If Apple weren't a greedy bastard, they would use USB type-C. Android phones will use it, so you can use one of this with your PC, console, TV, whatever. Apple will again use their proprietary BS, but people who buy Apple devices are already used to pay a premium, so I guess it's the price to use an iPhone. I'm not paying it, not buying anything from Apple. Rather buy a mid-end Android device that does a lot of stuff and won't cost a kidney.

So basically, if you're on Android, you will buy USB-C phones that will work on your phone and all your devices. If you have an iPhone, well, pay the price, get adapters. Apple devices are becoming a mass of hubs and adapters anyway (new Macbook, per instance).

LurkerJ said:

There is some truth to that.

I also agree with you on the headphone jack removal, it's not a problem in itself per se (for me at least), it's only a problem because Apple stupidly didn't replace lightening with USB-C. I am not getting wired lightening headphones that don't even work with ..... Macs and Macbooks

Well, same as last 2 paragraphs above, hahahahahah.



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