So, first off - The iPhone starts at 649. Not 800.

Next, what phone do you want to buy instead?

A Samsung Galaxy starts at 670 (MORE THEN THE IPHONE). 

Finally, I don't have a ps4, but I use my ps3 about 6 hours a week. I use my phone about 12 hours a day. 

You guys are lucky. Earning $1 is much easier in developed country compared to earning $1 in my country. Plus everything is expensive here. Last year it cost me approx $1K for iPhone 6s 64 GB. As for the value of the product it depends in people's mindset. Apple is successful in that regard. Those who can afford the purchase justify their purchase if as great. And vice versa. Not everyone falls in this category though. As for me I am happy with the iPhone performance. Though performance per dollar isn worth it. It's more like a luxury product.

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https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1225377-REG/samsung_sm_g930_32gb_blk_galaxy_s7_g930_32gb.html

People nowadays don't even have laptops (and maybe never saw a desktop), so the smartphone is their main computing device, used for browsing, social networking, messaging, e-mail, etc. Media consumption needs a bigger screen, but that's the role of smart TVs. People will only have a console if they game, that its only use. They will only have a desktop if they game, because there's no reason to have a desktop instead of a notebook and, for most people needs, you actually just need a phone.

So it's reasonable that the main computing device of most people is more expensive than a gaming device. It's just a phone, that costs as much as 2 PS4 pros, 1 enthuasiast grade GPU, mid-end gaming desktop or good laptop. But it actually does the same stuff these people used their laptops (that were mostly underused), cameras, car GPS, dumbphones and the list goes on and on.

I think you are underestimating what a phone does today. It's a lot of stuff. I understand that mid end devices like a Moto G do most of these stuff, but a high-end phone gives you a bit better screen, way better camera and a faster experience overall, with huge gains for games.

Also, stop complaining about losing the headphone jack. You look like the guys that cried when companies removed the 3.5' drives, optical drives or VGA ports. Tech advances. Removing the jack doesn't just allows to have thinner phones:
- More space for other components . The headphone jack is huge.
- Easier to waterproof.
- Currently, the digital/analog converter is on the phones circuitry. The phone amplifies it and outputs the audio. With a USB-C/Lightning headset, you can get the original digital signal and do the amplification on the headset itself. It means that you can buy a better phone that outputs better audio without being affected by crappy amplifiers on the phone like on current jacks.

I'm an Android guy, but I do understand their reasoning. People are hating just because it's Apple. Actually, Apple is getting more hate by removing the jack than Sammy is getting by making a exploding phone that's actually hurting people.

StarOcean said: I know very few people who buy phones at full price. They cost less to consumers due to contracts. I do wish they had this with consoles. I'd be up for that. Pay a little initially and then pay in full once my paycheck comes in

This is only true in some places, like the US. In a lot of countries people usually buy unlocked phones off-contract. I prefer it that way, since US carriers are completely terrible to consumers. Where I live, half of the stuff they do is illegal.

He probably checked the official Samsung web store, and they do sell it for 670$

His original point is right too, iPhone starts 649$, if it's more expensive in some countries, then the PS4Pro is also more expensive in those same countries.

I do agree with his original points. Not sure where $800 came from unless its CAD

Yes, and the iPhone starts 650$ (not 800$).

Not to mention, smartphones today have replaced many devices for many people. Including the freaking PC and the point and shoot cameras, smartphones of today are the most used DAILY devices for many, if not most, people. If someone wants the best smartphone because it's the device they use the most, an iPhone is definitely an option to consider.

The iPhone 5S I had broke the glass due to swealing batery and after repaired and passed to my wife the glass broke again from a small fall, nothing like this ever happened to my Sony phones, either Xperia (Arc S or Z series) or now the M4. Broken glass is the most common thing we see with Apple owners.

StarOcean said: I know very few people who buy phones at full price. They cost less to consumers due to contracts. I do wish they had this with consoles. I'd be up for that. Pay a little initially and then pay in full once my paycheck comes in

When the contract with phone cost more than other contract without phone plus buying the phone you aren't actually benefing of it to say it's cheaper to buy due to the contract (it's only easier because you pay in parcels). In Brazil when you compare contract prices versus non-contract you pay extra50% of the total cost when in contract.

The problem is that even on jack you could only use apple phone and now without jack they are selling very expensive adapters and special phones, so it's a problem. Besides, I would rather have a more robust and longer batery life instead of a thinnier phone.

I asked a very good friend of mine the other day that constantly go's on about how great Iphones are, to really tell me what is so very great about his Iphone and what his phone can do that my android phone can't. With no real good answer. And this is the very problem these days, you have lot of people walking round saying that they have the very best but have no real idea what it is about the product that makes it so good!

And just to add one other thing I also don't really like the Idea of compering apples with oranges...