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Wildcard36qs on 20 September 2016
Azuren said:
Raistline said:
When not concerning yourself with budget, within reason, the absolute best TV series out there are the LG OLED TV's. I have seen them in person many of times and side-by-side with all their biggest competitors. These TV's simply have the best color, the most vibrancy, and the only TV that has real pure black.

They may not be quite as bright as the Samsung and Sony TV's but they more than make up for it in all the other areas. Since the Blacks are so much better the HDR impact looks better on the OLED than it does with LED LCD, even when compared to Full-Array LED backlit TV's.

They also has the least grayscale, the lowest brightness, the most burn-in, and the shortest lifespan. They also lack a noise algorithm, so I hope you enjoy artifacting.

From everything I've read, OLED burn in is no worse than plasma. I have a 2007 58" Panasonic 720P plasma that was abused in a conference room for years displaying static images before I took it home. It had burn-in that I worked hard to remove, and now it has image retention issues when my desktop is showing that taskbar, but it goes away nearly instantly once I watch something. OLED cannot be that bad. I think you are blowing it up out of proportion a bit.

And with lifespan it is a non-issue: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1465304750

Sure maybe the first gen LG OLED had some issues, but they have quickly improved upon that.

OLED is by far the best thing we have right now. Stunning displays to behold in person.



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toot1231 on 20 September 2016

I just have to let this sink in for a second you will willingly buy a 600$ or more TV and a pretty much a second ps4 400$ + 400$ but console players still say PC is more expensive?
Idk man just I do not like this console generation at all and I hate this sudden 4K push too



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SvennoJ on 20 September 2016
KBG29 said:

It is an absolute shame that consumers killed rear projection TVs. SXRDs were so much better than LCD, and so much cheaper as well. People unfortunatly misunderstood the bulb going out with thinking their whole TV was broke. All they had to do was call the manufacturer and request a free replacement bulb which was standard from any respectable manufacturer. You could easily get 4 - 5 years from a TV on the 1st bulb, and then another 4 - 5 years on the 2nd before having to spend a minuscule $300 for the 2nd replacement bulb.

SXRDs had absolutly zero screen door effect, no judder, no artifacting, extreamly good black levels, and as low as 4ms response times. Now we are stuck with LCD, LED, and OLED, all of which suffer from many issues, and have input lag around 20ms at best or 35ms average. Great example of consumers ruining the industry  with uninformed purchases.

Maybe this will catch on someday

http://www.sonypremiumhome.com/projectors/VPL-GTZ1.php
Cheaper it's not for now. Also still kinda bulky. Yet maybe laser projection can solve all the woes of LCD/LED/OLED



Wildcard36qs on 20 September 2016
toot1231 said:

I just have to let this sink in for a second you will willingly buy a 600$ or more TV and a pretty much a second ps4 400$ + 400$ but console players still say PC is more expensive?
Idk man just I do not like this console generation at all and I hate this sudden 4K push too

TV is used more than just for gaming on your PS4. I am all for the 4K push. I am glad we are advacing on that front. It took forever for 1080p to get anywhere. Heck, we are still only getting 720p or 1080i from most providers. With how fast and hard 4K and HDR is being pushed, I look forward to all the new available content (cut the cord and do streaming only). $400 for the PS4 Pro is a fantastic price btw. You must be pretty young if you are balking at these prices. My old 3DO cost $600 back in 1993. To get a gaming PC at the level of the PS4 Pro, you'd struggle to build one for the same price. 



Mafioso on 20 September 2016

Shop a 10 bit panel, with 'HDR Premium' branding.

Anything else is an 8 bit panel, and don't support wide color gamut HDR which is what makes 4K HDR worth the hype.



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Burning Typhoon on 20 September 2016
toot1231 said:

I just have to let this sink in for a second you will willingly buy a 600$ or more TV and a pretty much a second ps4 400$ + 400$ but console players still say PC is more expensive?
Idk man just I do not like this console generation at all and I hate this sudden 4K push too

Yes, because a PC is still more costly than a console.  You're also not getting console exclusives on PC.



Robert_Downey_Jr. on 20 September 2016
toot1231 said:

I just have to let this sink in for a second you will willingly buy a 600$ or more TV and a pretty much a second ps4 400$ + 400$ but console players still say PC is more expensive?
Idk man just I do not like this console generation at all and I hate this sudden 4K push too

1. I will be selling my old PS4 to offset costs.  Let's lowball and say I only get $200 for that.  So really I'm only investing $200 in the upgrade.

2. I'm buying the TV for more than just gaming and I can't play with a monitor unless it somehow was huge.  I'm definitly not watching movies on a monitor.  So yeah I would be getting a 4k TV anyway and it's really the only option when thinking of the other things I'll use it for.



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Azuren on 20 September 2016
Raistline said:
Azuren said:

They also has the least grayscale, the lowest brightness, the most burn-in, and the shortest lifespan. They also lack a noise algorithm, so I hope you enjoy artifacting.

In my case burn-in will not be an issue since the TV will be used more for video than for Video Gaming and it will almost never have a static image on it. The grayscale and brightness levels virutally go hand-in-hand and when watching dark scenes in movies OLED still looks much better so it is a comprimise I would be willing to take. From what I have seen I have not seen any noticable artifacting, at least no more than with other TV's.

I cannot speak for the lifespan of the TV but if it will last the 5-7+ years that a TV is good for nowadays, than it is good enough. 

I still stand by my point that from a pure Picture Quality standpoint, in both film and gaming, the LG OLED is the best TV out there.

Dark scenes are actually when OLEDs fall short. The sudden dip into perfect black loses a lot of detail in said darkness; detail an LED would retain. 

 

And its blues will get worse and worse until they die off completely. That starts at 3 years. 

 

Wildcard36qs said:
Azuren said:

They also has the least grayscale, the lowest brightness, the most burn-in, and the shortest lifespan. They also lack a noise algorithm, so I hope you enjoy artifacting.

From everything I've read, OLED burn in is no worse than plasma. I have a 2007 58" Panasonic 720P plasma that was abused in a conference room for years displaying static images before I took it home. It had burn-in that I worked hard to remove, and now it has image retention issues when my desktop is showing that taskbar, but it goes away nearly instantly once I watch something. OLED cannot be that bad. I think you are blowing it up out of proportion a bit.

And with lifespan it is a non-issue: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1465304750

Sure maybe the first gen LG OLED had some issues, but they have quickly improved upon that.

OLED is by far the best thing we have right now. Stunning displays to behold in person.

Yes it will last that long before the diode goes out. But the blues will be done at 3 years.

 

Not one of my OLED displays managed to go without burn-in. Even my 2016's have it. It's ridiculous. 

 

And like I've said before; OLED is a dead end. There's no way to make those blues last significantly longer, so R&D into solving the other problems will dip, and LG will just be content selling imperfect OLEDs every year to people who think Rtings.com is a perfect example of what TVs to buy; they've admitted themselves that they don't have a way to test artifact reduction vs noise reduction, nor do their reviews reflect reliability; only performance at optimum levels. 



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ICStats on 20 September 2016
Azuren said:
Don't do an OLED. You lose a lot of grayscale, burn in is a risk factor for extended play, and the blues will start fading in three years.

I recommend an XBR55X850D or a UN55KS8000. There are TVs with faster input lag, but you sacrifice HDR for it.

Don't be fooled by TVs that say they're HDR; it needs to be a 10-bit panel to be real HDR. Sony's 750D and higher are 10-bit, Samsungs KS8000 and higher are 10-bit, and avoid Vizio/LG.

The Vizio P series is quite good.  It's FALD, and should be pretty competitive with those edge-lit sets from Sony and Samsung.



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ICStats on 21 September 2016
Raistline said:
Azuren said:

They also has the least grayscale, the lowest brightness, the most burn-in, and the shortest lifespan. They also lack a noise algorithm, so I hope you enjoy artifacting.

In my case burn-in will not be an issue since the TV will be used more for video than for Video Gaming and it will almost never have a static image on it. The grayscale and brightness levels virutally go hand-in-hand and when watching dark scenes in movies OLED still looks much better so it is a comprimise I would be willing to take. From what I have seen I have not seen any noticable artifacting, at least no more than with other TV's.

I cannot speak for the lifespan of the TV but if it will last the 5-7+ years that a TV is good for nowadays, than it is good enough. 

I still stand by my point that from a pure Picture Quality standpoint, in both film and gaming, the LG OLED is the best TV out there.

Letter boxes create a constant static image (black on letter-box, bright on the interior).  I've had burn in on two plasma screens, so I'm hesitant to invest a lot of $$$$$ into a display that seems to have the same problems.

I agree otherwise, the LG OLEDS have beautiful picture (though processing and upscaling not as good as Sony & Samsung).



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