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Final-Fan said:

You are misinformed.  That statistic, while accurate, is not representative of the overall prison population in the U.S.  According to the following source, there are about 90,000 non-citizen prisoners in a population of more than two million.  That works out to around 4.5%, which would mean that noncitizens are actually less likely to be imprisoned than citizens.  Perhaps they are more afraid of being caught. 

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/aaprisonpop.htm

Hm. It seems like the Department of Justice disagrees with the Deparment of Homeland Security on this. In 2009, the DHS identified 221,000 noncitizens in the overall prison population, while the DoJ only recorded 95,000 in that year. The DHS also estimated that immigrants, legal and illegal, make up a disproportionate share of the prison population.

http://cis.org/ImmigrantCrime

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=nps



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StarDoor said:
Final-Fan said:

You are misinformed.  That statistic, while accurate, is not representative of the overall prison population in the U.S.  According to the following source, there are about 90,000 non-citizen prisoners in a population of more than two million.  That works out to around 4.5%, which would mean that noncitizens are actually less likely to be imprisoned than citizens.  Perhaps they are more afraid of being caught. 

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/aaprisonpop.htm

Hm. It seems like the Department of Justice disagrees with the Deparment of Homeland Security on this. In 2009, the DHS identified 221,000 noncitizens in the overall prison population, while the DoJ only recorded 95,000 in that year. The DHS also estimated that immigrants, legal and illegal, make up a disproportionate share of the prison population.

http://cis.org/ImmigrantCrime

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=nps

Interesting.  Thanks for the links.  I had always thought the Census Bureau data was extremely solid, but it looks like at least in 2000 there were some definite cracks in the system (although most data was fine). 



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SpokenTruth said:
tokilamockingbrd said:

not citizens. key distinction. think about it, the group are people who are not actually americans. 

Minorites, women, vets, police (yesterday), handicapped, and the list goes on and on.   All citizens.

eh bullshit. His problem is he feels the need to have a good comeback to everything and does not have a filter. He has an excellent record in his company with fair pay for women and placing them in key positions. He did not make fun a that handicapped person, that was debunked, he does that impression alot, he is just a bad impressionist. 

Going after minorities? I am sorry wanted to enforce the laws is not going after minorities. I have no idea what you are talking about with attacking the police. 

Trump- Says stupid stuff, but his actions show he cares about people. Notice how the 1st person they found to attack him was some ex-pagent queen who threatened to kill a job, drove a getaway car from an attempted murder, and is a hardcore porn star... That is literally the only person who knows (eh knew) him who has said anything bad about him. 

Hilary- Says the right things, no results. 

 

But most people are too lazy to do the actually research to find out the truth, they just absorb what they hear. 



psn- tokila

add me, the more the merrier.

tokilamockingbrd said:

Trump- Says stupid stuff, but his actions show he cares about people. Notice how the 1st person they found to attack him was some ex-pagent queen who threatened to kill a job, drove a getaway car from an attempted murder, and is a hardcore porn star... That is literally the only person who knows (eh knew) him who has said anything bad about him. 

Hilary- Says the right things, no results. 

 

But most people are too lazy to do the actually research to find out the truth, they just absorb what they hear. 

You do know Trump has heavily indulged in wage theft and has used migrant labor liberally instead of hiring US citizens for his construction work?



On the Tax question, I feel Trump not only missed a great opportunity to advance his cause but failed so miserable that I believe it will definitely cost him some votes.

During the primaries, Trump talked about getting rid of the carried Tax loophole. This actually was a riding theme of his during that time. Every since he won the primaries you have not heard him say anything on the loophole or any other loopholes that reward the rich. Next Trump release his economic plan and you see these great incentives for the rich but nothing on how this will be paid and definitely nothing on getting rid of the loopholes. Then we have Trump economic advisory team where half of them make up billionaire fund managers. These are the same people that Trump stated he would make unhappy but they are now heading up his economic policy.

Now I do not know about anyone else but it really seem hard for me to picture these people cutting into their money by getting rid of loopholes that have made them very rich. Since this team was setup, nothing from Trump on getting rid of the carried tax, nothing on getting rid of all the loopholes that keep the rich getting much richer and everyone else stays put. Instead we have an economic plan that makes them even more rich.

I do not understand how people who support Trump do not question this part even a little. So going back to the debate, it seems that the reason Trump did not make any statements about getting rid of loopholes that continue to reward the rich could possible be because he has no intention of getting rid of them. Instead his plan is exactly what it is, an incentive for rich people.



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Final-Fan said:
StarDoor said:

Hm. It seems like the Department of Justice disagrees with the Deparment of Homeland Security on this. In 2009, the DHS identified 221,000 noncitizens in the overall prison population, while the DoJ only recorded 95,000 in that year. The DHS also estimated that immigrants, legal and illegal, make up a disproportionate share of the prison population.

http://cis.org/ImmigrantCrime

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=nps

Interesting.  Thanks for the links.  I had always thought the Census Bureau data was extremely solid, but it looks like at least in 2000 there were some definite cracks in the system (although most data was fine). 

You all provided actual sources so thankyou for that. The other guy was just trolling and 'flaming' even.



Just a guy who doesn't want to be bored. Also

thought I would revieve this now it seems the MSM has declared war on the Alt-Right.

I do not consider myself alt-right, but I do get defensive of groups, even if I do no agree with them, when I see injustice.



psn- tokila

add me, the more the merrier.

The Alt right has no purpose unlike other political movement.

It is just sad young white guys who have failed at life trying to feel better but making others feel small.

Deal with it women are getting jobs and getting educated.

Black guys are better at sex then you.


Deal with it !!

/END RANT



LadyJasmine said:
The Alt right has no purpose unlike other political movement.

It is just sad young white guys who have failed at life trying to feel better but making others feel small.

Deal with it women are getting jobs and getting educated.

Black guys are better at sex then you.


Deal with it !!

/END RANT

 

Did you miss the [/s] in your post? Or are you really that bigoted?



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Soundwave said:

Actually I don't think "everyone" understands that, I don't think many people understand how quickly humanity is changing. 

Also America is a country of IMMIGRANTS. And immigrant groups are actually the wealthiest in the country, Asian Indian and Asians are the two top demographic groups and also are tops in education in the country. Mind you, America is also a country where recently 25% of the population thinks the Sun orbits the Earth. Also when (not if) non-whites are the majority in America, does that mean to "protect the status quo" they should start deporting fat, loud white Americans back to Europe? lol. 

I will just say in general ... people who cannot function or abide in a society where not everyone has the exact same skin pigment as them are dinosaurs. Tribalism served our species for a few centuries sure, but it's now on its last legs, like a dying dinosaur. Just like we don't shit in bushes and the tribe leader can't just club your wife and rape her for kicks, we've evolved past that, unfortunately people who only identify with their "own" ethinicity are the last vestige of that dying trend. 

Also we in the West are incredibly priveleged. What gives us the right as 1/7th of the world's population to consume 60-70% of the world's resources and hoarde 80% of the wealth? I'm no Marxist, but you can't tell 6/7 of the human population to live off our bread crumbs while we glutton our fat asses with useless shit. It's human nature to want a better life for one's family, it's why EUROPE even has a human population, if there was no desire for that, the human race would've just all stayed in Africa. 

Maybe it's time for our species to grow the fuck up and realize we need to be able to live together. Next door to each other. That's the inevitable cold, hard truth. At some point in fact, probably some portion of our very own grandchildren or great grandchildren will be born OFF the planet Earth entirely. Then what? Will you be proud of them for bickering over their skin color/ethnicity while struggling to live in space? Lets hope they have more goddamn common sense than our generation and get past such immature bullshit. 

You started on ineluctability. Then added USA history as a reason. Then human nature, and then logic, and then morale. That's too many reasons, and that's because it's an ideology that you have, you want open border to happen and so seems to be leaders of Europe and USA.

I will tell you what is biased in your logic. You blame white people for being egotistic, immature, you can't stand the fact they are not grown up enough to share their places and wealth, and you just ignore the fact that immigrants coming from countries that are much worst regarding biggotry, ethnic and sexist biases, education, and intolerance are on average worst. Do you want to leave in a better place, or a worst place ? I don't really understand, are you that generous and great in your life, you give your money to improve other countries, you invite unchecked Syrian at your home, you adopt foreign orphans, you would find it nice if you lost your job to someone that just came illegally, you live abroad in non white country ? I can tell you, there are very sick and racist white people, but you, you also are a twisted kind of racist if you care about foreign poverty and misery but can only see your own people as fat ass gluton when so many are on food stamp, lost their good job, eat cheap shit every day and will never repay their debt.