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Dunban67 said:
SkepticallyMinded said:

Similarly to the "Elvis is still alive man" crowd, some ideas simply do not warrant a response other than ridicule and disdain. I do not care if your delicate sensibilities are harmed by my succinct and direct reply.

You don t offend me-  I am just amazed every day at how many sheep are out there and many will vote

I see. So if someone disagrees with you they are a sheep? Sound argument, I am completely convinced by this recalcitrance. 



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Dunban67 said:
sundin13 said:

Trump has a much larger conflict of interest at play when it comes to his business than Hillary does when it comes to the Clinton Foundation. If you want to worry about financial incentives, I'd worry a lot more about the foreign leader who has a deal with the Trump Organization than the Clinton Foundation getting money for charity.

I hope you don t actually beleive this-  When i see outrageosly wrogn coments i typically give the poster the benifit of th edoubt assuming he/she is slinging mud and not acually weak enough to beleive them -  Either way there is nothng constructive about posting comments you know are wrong even if you don t beleive them

Just going to say from reading through this thread, when it comes to raising peoples attention to political matters which you think are very important, could I just suggest that taking a moment to proof read before clicking submit would really help get the point across. It's just that a post this short shouldn't manage to contain 16+ mistakes in it, to me that just weakens your whole "people should be smarter" suggestion. I don't think you could expect people to take hygiene advice from someone covered in dirt and I think the same applies to political intelligence talk on the internet.

This Whole thread is a bit strange though, basically you want to not give any evidence or sources because you would rather people go and educate themselves and look things up for themselves? Then... why the thread at all, why put any content in it about someones poorly rated TV show being canned, why not just leave it as a open message requesting that people who will vote just go and do some research, rather than trying to make some very poor links in the OP to Hillary being the cause of things happening like bad TV ratings.

See I think you wanted the OP to read something like

But felt the desire to tack on some conspiracy stuff which, of course got peoples attention but just to say why you are wrong in doing so, but drawing away from what I think was your original message (I could be wrong, it's tough to read, I'm sorry.)



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Hiku said:
I'd rather have someone dead in charge, than... the alternative. *shudders*
I trust the dead to make better decisions.

Sometimes a decision to do nothing is the right decision. Therefore a dead person will make the right decision more often than some live people. Not naming names.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

The issue with Hillary is that her behaviour and her actions in the past casts doubt about her motives of being president. Even if some claim is outlandish, one can still entertain the idea in one's mind.

Meaning Obama has done things but we give him the benefit of the doubt as he is a nice guy and he seems to truly wish to govern for the best interest of the country.

Hillary seems like she is the same but one would think she is far more willing to do anything to get power for selfish reasons then to 'serve the greater good' unlike Obama.

As a result I expect President Hillary even if elected to be a one term president.



It's hilarious how much americans trust their politicians and candidates.

As an affiliate and brother to a mayor in South America I seem to know more about their parties myself. The DNC runs an organization called "Dialogo Interamericano" which oversee the actions of quite a few parties here, both by having insiders of importance and simply convincing with help in election sometimes with money. And that's not even the ugly part.

It was not enough for DI to be closely related and having members in Brazil's most presidential-winning party, PSDB. They also allied with another organization, similar to itself but brazilian-made and even more leftist that acts in all South America, the Foro de São Paulo and made them, represented by PT and our impeached president, the biggest "oppostion" to it's own parties, so they can virtually be in "power" no matter who wins.



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Actually compared to other Western Nations, Americans are likely the most distrustful of their Governments.

If you want a people who always think 'fathers knows best' attitude to government is likely Germans and Northern Europeans.



fatslob-:O said:

Sure thing ... 

http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

Here's Clinton granting a few nations who happen to be donors to the Clinton Foundation weapon deals ...

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/08/24/clinton-approved-arms-sales-big-donations-bahrain/

Here's Crown Prince of Kingdom of Bahrain (a nation with poor record of human rights) getting access to Clinton for which he failed to get access through "normal channels" but what's more is that she approved an arms sale for which they then later used it for "suppressing uprisings" ... 

http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/03/exclusive-bill-clinton-got-millions-from-worlds-biggest-sharia-law-education-firm/

Bill Clinton get's promoted to "honorary chairman" to the world's largest SHARIA LAW education firm while accepting money for the Clinton Foundation ?! 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/17/hillary-clinton-gmo-support-monsanto-ties-spark-ba/

Monsanto donates to Clinton and the next thing you know she promotes GMO's ... 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-charity-tapped-foreign-friends-1426818602

Mr, Schoen then reveals that the purpose behind the meetings between Clinton and Viktor Pinchuk (a Clinton Foundation donor) was to make the US government pressure former president Viktor Yanukovych to release Yulia Tymoshenko ... 

And then we get to Gilbert Chagoury (denied visa cause of shady connections) and George Soros both of which are billionaires and Clinton Foundation donors which disturbingly shows pay to play going on in the emails ... 

The peer pressure is as real as it gets ... 

Theres a key difference between those sources and the Infowars source. There is no direct evidence of anything quid pro quo. Its all circumstancial. Tons of people donated to the Clinton Foundation and got nothing out of it too. Now of course there are conflicts of interest (and if Hillary were to become president, her and Bill should also step away from the Clinton Foundation), but again, they get no money from the Clinton Foundation (the talks they do get money from, but thats a bit of a different beast). I believe these conflicts of interest are on a different level of magnitude.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/08/23/experts-new-clinton-state-dept-emails-show-donor-access-not-favors/89118156/

However, as I've stated before, the nature of Trump's Business involves him personally making a lot of money from foreign sources (without even considering how is domestic decisions could affect his business). That is also a clear conflict of interest. While Trump hasn't been given a chance yet to see how he would act in a political situation, I don't think that should excuse him of the danger that comes with these conflicts of interest.

I think its fair to have disagreements over whos conflicts of interest are more significant as that isn't anything objective. I personally believe donations to charity are less of a conflict than money in the pocket, but thats just me. At the core of the issue however is that both Clinton and Trump have unprecedented, large conflicts of interest, both of which are worrying. 



fatslob-:O said:
Chris Hu said:

LOL, Infowars the site that is run by right wing conspricacy nut and snake oil salesman Alex Jones my asshole is a more creditable source of information than that garbage site.

Likewise, your credibility regarding Trump is very low ... 

Nope, I actually get my info from credible sources not from fraud sites like infowars that are run by idiots and snake oil salesman that wear tin foil hats in their spare time.



Dunban67 said:
Shadow1980 said:
Can I sue someone for making me roll my eyes so much that I injured them?

It is America-  You can sue anyone for any reason at any time...unfortunately

And your boy Donald Trump is the champion of that.



SkepticallyMinded said:
Dunban67 said:

You don t offend me-  I am just amazed every day at how many sheep are out there and many will vote

I see. So if someone disagrees with you they are a sheep? Sound argument, I am completely convinced by this recalcitrance. 

no- not what i m saying at all-   go back and read my posts-