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Trump or Hillary?

Trump FTW! 305 51.69%
 
Hillary all the way! 285 48.31%
 
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WagnerPaiva said:

 

I see, but you wanted a liberal majority, I am thinking about comon ground. We must find a comon ground, all around the world where homosexuals can live happy lives and christians are also not persecuted, like that couple from the bakery that did not want to catter a gay wedding. It is very important that, althought no one gets the whole cake, everyone is reasonably satisfied.

And actually sexuality is not what is the main theme, we should worry about firearms and drugs, cause the first step to take away people´s freedom is to take their guns. That is what they did in Brazil and Venezuela.

And about drugs, well, a intoxicated nation is a nation that do not care that much about what is going on.

By the way, 

People objecting to a bakery who is discriminating against a group is NOT persectution, it´s called a protest. The reason politicians has established a "persecution" argument is because they are loosing political fights left and right and need to clincg on to something, and that is when they becaome more radical and starts putting one religion against another.

Calling christians persecuted in a mostly christian nation where all but a few elected officials are christians is such an insult to every minority around the entire world that is actually persecuted.

And in what way is firearms, a human invention, equal to freedom? At the moment, the US is viewed as one of the least free nations in the industrialized world, yet it is the nation with the most liberal gun laws. Guns only has one purpose, to harm or kill an opposing force. The very essence of what a gun is, is what drives a country towards less freedom, not more.



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DialgaMarine2 said:
Normchacho said:
The available information says otherwise.

 Not really. The only "polls" that have suggested Hillary as the victor have been ones pre-organized by mainstream media outlets, where they were very selective about the location and number of people used. It's easy to say city X (which typically has a higher population of leftists) has more Hillary supporters out of 1000 people interviewed, and then word it like that's the end all be all of polls. It's a dirty tactic of her campaign trying claim victory because a single real vote has been cast, so as to dishearten her opponent's supporters from voting. It's how she "beat" Sanders after all. You look at National polls, with numbers like 50000 people interviewed, covering places across the entire country, you'll find the opposite results. Dont believe for one second what mainstream media outlets say; they're as much in bed with establishment politicians as any other extremely corrupt organizations in the country. 

Lol, this is the exact same cognitive dissonance/denial that happened when the polls showed Obama beating Romney.

And, you want to know something hilarious? Breitbart had the same mentality. "The polls are just liberal organizations cherrypicking results. The real polls will show it being much closer or Trump winning. We'll conduct a poll and prove it".

Then, they ran their own poll and *drumroll please*.......Hillary was winning

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/14/breitbartgravis-poll-hillary-clinton-leads-donald-trump-42-to-37/



tokilamockingbrd said:
PlayerOne said:

Do you mean other than his continuous attacks on women's rights, lgbt rights? Should I quote how his state was rated the worse in economic growth within the midwest last year? Or do you mean how not even his own state likes him with an approval rating of only about 40%?

by women's rights do you mean abortion? I honestly think in a 200 years we will look back at abortion as the sin of our time much like we look at slavery as a major sin from 200 years before us. Our decendents will judge us for it, buildings will have to be renamed at university because it was named after a known abortion support.

Some people will argue it was a nessessity of the time to control population growth, but will still condemn the means. 

 

Prophet Tokila has spoken. 

Most people at least think abortion should be available in some situations regardless of calling themselfs pro-life or pro-choice. http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

He has signed every bill related to abortion that has hit his desk. His personal beliefs have bounced between all three (abortion shouldn't ever be allowed, allowed for rape/incest, and abortion should only be allowed in case the mother's life is at danger) back and forth multiple times over the past 8 years. With many sighting it really wouldn't matter, he'd sign the bill regardless of the exceptions it gave if it just hit his desk.

"He has decimated access to abortion: In March 2016, Gov. Pence signed a measure prohibiting women from obtaining an abortion because of the race, gender, or disability of the fetus, making Indiana only the second state in the nation to do this."

On top of all that it required one to bury or cremate fetuses. Good thing it was blocked by a federal judge.

I would also like to point out that is the only reply you gave without even hitting on his signing of RNRA.



Leftists don't care about nationalism so they'll gladly sacrifice our right to sovereignty, national interests, and last but not least our individuality!

Hillary Clinton is a hypocrite to wish for peace when she shares her warmongering view with the neoconservatives like George W. Bush on keeping up with foreign entanglements!

Every time she accuses the kremlin's or CHINA of cyber attacks she will be ready with a MILITARY RESPONSE, I shit you not!



Mr Puggsly said:
Pemalite said:

Right-wing policies can be as equally as dangerous, heck our biggest history lesson there is Hitler and the Nazi Party.
The best place to trend is when both the right and the left have relatively equal power so that policies trend in the middle and it's good having both sides around in a debate so you can see both sides of the coin so you can make the best possible decision.

With that said, I would dread seeing Drumpf win, I hope my country makes stronger ties to China rather than the USA in that instance.

I don't think republicans are pushing anything Nazi's were about. They were a Fascist party and toalitarian so maybe the democrats relate to them more.

Extreme right wing just doesn't make much sense in my eyes these days, its just not what republicans are about. While extreme left wingers have essentially become commies.

1. The Nazis were a fascist party, and the party is largely considered far right-wing because it's basis in right-wing ideologies such as Nationalism, acceptance or even support of social inequality, a strong belief in traditional or "natural" morals (read: traditional values), a focus on stability and order, ect.

Now, of course not all people who identify as right-wing will hold all of these beliefs, and the Nazi party to many right-wing ideas to the extreme (hence, FAR right-wing). But they did hold many right-wing ideals.

2. Totalitarianism isn't inherentley right or left wing.

3. Democrats aren't inherentley liberal or left-wing (since the party has actually changed from right to left wing during it's history).

4. Your last bit doesn't make sense. You framed it as a comparison, but the first part states that far right-wing policies don't define republicans, and the second part simply points out that communism is a far left-wing political ideology.

They aren't two sides of the same coin. Heck, they aren't even the same currency.



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WagnerPaiva said:
binary solo said:

You know Trump is not ideologically or religiously aligned with you right? He's just saying all the things you want to hear. Your US presidential posterchild is Ted Cruz, and he got is arse kicked by Trump.

Yes, but he is the lesser of two evils.

I don't know about that. And how do you measure such a thing? I think the Hillary supporters arguing lesser of two evils to Bernie's fans are making a terrible argument. And on the opposite end I think people arguing Trump as lesser of two evils are also making a terrible argument. 

What, and a born again christian as the main force in your life, are the things you really care about? I think Trump's true attitudes (as opposed to the ones he claims to have) on subjects that are core to your values do not line up with yours. Especially on social issues, Trump is stringing along social conservatives. Do you want someone who say's he's pro-life but doesn't intend to actually do anything about it, and actually doesn;t carte about the issue, or someone who is at least open about being pro-choice? If we're talking about lesser evils I would think the person who is being most honest about their views on such an issue is the one to side with.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

binary solo said:
WagnerPaiva said:

Yes, but he is the lesser of two evils.

I don't know about that. And how do you measure such a thing? I think the Hillary supporters arguing lesser of two evils to Bernie's fans are making a terrible argument. And on the opposite end I think people arguing Trump as lesser of two evils are also making a terrible argument. 

What, and a born again christian as the main force in your life, are the things you really care about? I think Trump's true attitudes (as opposed to the ones he claims to have) on subjects that are core to your values do not line up with yours. Especially on social issues, Trump is stringing along social conservatives. Do you want someone who say's he's pro-life but doesn't intend to actually do anything about it, and actually doesn;t carte about the issue, or someone who is at least open about being pro-choice? If we're talking about lesser evils I would think the person who is being most honest about their views on such an issue is the one to side with.

Oh, sure, he is a Las Vegas party boy probably. But the Left always try to anihilate everything I hold dear to my heart: family, freedom of religion, a safe infancy for the children, security for the hard working people, being in self defence and in the general rights as a individual, freedom of speech also...

You should seem the things they did here in Brazil, and specially in Venezuela.

I think going right is the best option right now, for the whole world.

Anyways, we will see what happens.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

Trump offers nothing. Either way, sometimes we fall prey to our own prejudices a nd fear and for those people, Trump offers the last chance to take your country back (or away) from those who you have been taught to fear, hate, disparage, or whatever. But in reality, there is a reason he loses to educated white people... and everyone else who isn't an angry white male... and he will lose according to all available data. He is simply not presidential material and we don't want to build a damn wall. Educated people realize that a wall wont improve the quality of our lives. It is just a way to tap into racist group thought.



fatslob-:O said:
Leftists don't care about nationalism so they'll gladly sacrifice our right to sovereignty, national interests, and last but not least our individuality!

Hillary Clinton is a hypocrite to wish for peace when she shares her warmongering view with the neoconservatives like George W. Bush on keeping up with foreign entanglements!

Every time she accuses the kremlin's or CHINA of cyber attacks she will be ready with a MILITARY RESPONSE, I shit you not!

You my friend need to learn the meaning of all of those terms you used at the top.

 

Nationalism is in most instances largely anti-individualism

Sovereignty and "national interests" are largely the basis for such "foreign entanglements" as our involvement in the Middle East, and our support of dictators in much of the developing world.



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CosmicSex said:
Trump offers nothing. Either way, sometimes we fall prey to our own prejudices a nd fear and for those people, Trump offers the last chance to take your country back (or away) from those who you have been taught to fear, hate, disparage, or whatever. But in reality, there is a reason he loses to educated white people... and everyone else who isn't an angry white male... and he will lose according to all available data. He is simply not presidential material and we don't want to build a damn wall. Educated people realize that a wall wont improve the quality of our lives. It is just a way to tap into racist group thought.

That is not fair man. Sure, a very small minority is formed of crazies and racists, but that is like 1%, maybe 2%, the real nutjobs. Most people just care about their families, values, security, stuff like that, but are not racists. 



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.