WagnerPaiva said:
Soundwave said:
So basically, Leviticus is bunk. I went to Catholic school for 10 years. The whole thing is a mess, but it's basically just "lulz, don't believe the crazy stuff in the beginning, Jesus means all that stuff can be bypassed". It's just a bizarre middle eastern philosophy that even the Romans who co-opted it to try and keep their Empire going realized was full of too much crazy stuff that it had to be streamlined or bypassed entirely to be paltable to Roman society.
Jesus I don't believe even said anything about homosexuality or 10393938 other things, which is a bit bizarre being as how if its such a big deal you would think he could take 2 minutes to talk about it.
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I see your point. I respect atheists that say "I do not believe in God, period".
But when people say "I hate God because he forbids me to eat shellfish" then I am compeled to explain that the God christians believe is the one that the Holy Bible, all 66 books combined, tell about. If you take a single verse it does not show the whole history.
But I understand that you does not care about that, you do not believe, period. But it is unfair to say something that the Holy Bible clearly does not say. It is a book that tells the history of mankind and the plan of Salvation.
You can not believe, of course, but to say it is because of shellfish is just not true.
It is like me saying that all gay people want to sodomize little children, it would be simply untrue and unfair, it would be dishonest.
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The Bible is and has always been up for interpretation, that interpretation has also changed over centuries past, it is why there are so many Church denominations with their own take on the Bible.
For example, the word "Homosexual" has only come into existence in the last 100~ or so years, convenient how it ended up in the Bible huh? :P
The fact of the matter is, someone interpreted "Sodomy" as "Homosexuality" when in-fact Sodomy is derived from the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, God actually never specified the Sin for the reason he delt out his wrath in that story, ergo Homosexuality and Sodomy may not mean what a large chunk of religious think it means.
Thus the Bible may not be against homosexuality at all, only the individuals interpretation.
With that said, it's of almost a universal theological agreement that everything in the old Testament is no longer relevent to us today, thus Leviticus's stance against Homosexuality, eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics is a non-issue.
WagnerPaiva said:
People like you and me want fair rights for everyone, that is also what most gays want.
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The far right is just as bad as the far left, let's not kid ourselves here.
WagnerPaiva said:
Love them or hate them, the christians are the some of the only ones that understand that the infancy is sacred and can not be messed with. Sex and infancy do not mix, they should not mix.
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How knowledgable are you on Sexuality, Sex, Gender and how it applies to people?
I live in a Secular society, which has been secular since it federated centuries ago, where Christians (Or any religion) have no right imposing their religious ideals on the populace... And for the most part we have been successfull at that. Yay.