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Trump or Hillary?

Trump FTW! 305 51.69%
 
Hillary all the way! 285 48.31%
 
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tokilamockingbrd said:

trump up by 5 in Ohio now where he had trailed for quite a while. 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/oh/ohio_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5970.html

Based on a single most recent poll, yes, he is, but tend to aggregate polls to give more complete picture which shows Ohio as toss up.

The point is Trump needs Ohio, while Clinton can afford to lose it and still win the over all election.



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fatslob-:O said:
Normchacho said:

If you read my post again you'll notice that I don't say nationalism has anything to do with our foreign intervention.

Globalism has nothing to do with individualism.

Democracy or any specific political system also has nothing to do with Globalism.

What point are you even trying to make here?

Your the one who pried in to respond to me so figure out the last line yourself ... 

You say that sovereignty and national interests are the basis for foreign entanglement but you can't have sovereignty or national interests without nationalism as they go hand in hand ... 

Interventionism =/= Nationalism, that's a mistake that you fail to realize on your part in plain sight ... 

The rise of globalism is corroborated with rise in global powers. We cannot have global powers as they have potential to be more authoritarian than national powers just like in the case how no other power can challenge the EU or NATO for that matter ... 

Globalism is THE biggest threat to individual freedoms if a government cannot be challenged ... 

No, no, I mean what's your point at all. You made a claim that liberals want to take away our sovereignty, national interests, and our individualism because they don't care about nationalism. But that logic doesn't follow, it doesn't make any sense.

I assume what you're trying to say is that liberals want to end America...which I don't think any reasonable person would take seriously.



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Shadow1980 said:


Polling averages at the state level still show Hillary with a structural advantage in the Electoral College vote. Here's what the map looks like right now, with "toss-up" states being defined as anything where the polling averages show a less than 5-point lead for either candidate:

 

All the states where Hillary has a comfortable lead in the polling averages are sufficient to give her the 270+ EC votes needed to win. Unless Trump can make some strong headways in the key Rust Belt states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, which haven't gone Republican since the 80s, and somehow flip increasingly-blue Virginia, Colorado, and New Hampshire back to the GOP column, then his chances of winning the election are almost nil.

Of course, if you have the same conspiratorial mindset as Trump and think the polls are all rigged in Hillary's favor, well, I just wasted my time posting this.

The whole polling thing has been very interesting in the UK lately where the last 2 significant votes posted out completely different to most polls.

 

This seems to have led to "the polls are rigged" that I keep hearing. But I dont think that's the case.

 

I think it's more people are telling polls what they think they should be saying. (See Clinton's statement about what half of trumps supporters are) then when it comes to the actual voting booth do something different.

 

It was "shy Tories" then "shy leavers". But personally, no matter what tenatious links they try to make with Trump and Brexit, I just honestly don't see people who aren't already pro trump/anti Hillary just keeping quiet because they're afraid of the judgement.

 

I'd suspect the polls are a lot more accurate this one.



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MikeRox said:

I think it's more people are telling polls what they think they should be saying. (See Clinton's statement about what half of trumps supporters are) then when it comes to the actual voting booth do something different.

It was "shy Tories" then "shy leavers". But personally, no matter what tenatious links they try to make with Trump and Brexit, I just honestly don't see people who aren't already pro trump/anti Hillary just keeping quiet because they're afraid of the judgement.

I'd suspect the polls are a lot more accurate this one.

Here in Brazil that happened in 2014: pools said Dilma Roussef (the Brazil Hillary) would win by a land slide. In the end it was:

- Dilma: 54 million votes.

- Aécio Neves: 51 million votes.

So, it was very close...

With all the getting sick, lying and using surrogates in the campaing (Bill, the vice and Obama), I wonder if people will not realize that Hillary is not fit to the job.

All I see is that some, not all, women vote for her cause she is a woman, and the LGBT vote for her cause they know she will take Obama policies to the extreme, she even said she should create reeducation camps to the people that do not embrace the LGBT Agenda.

Now, I now there are loyal democrats in America, that vote left always, but the fact that Bush entered after Bill tells me that the loyalty is pretty fluid.

Anyways, this election is the most important event in the whole world in years. It literally affects every single human being in the planet.

I am very concerned and interested.

Also, it takes my mind away from the Nintendo NX and from the last girl that broke my heart =)



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MarkkyStorm said:

US election: 

P.s.: I cannot laugh too much. Brazil is dominated by left wing idiots and we probably won't have any good option for the next election (2018).

Lol! I hear you brother (literaly, I live in Brazil too).

All I want from october and 2018 is to take away all the pwer we can from the PT, PSOL and PC do B.

Done that, we can deal with the remaining idiots later, at least they do not dream of dictatorships.

Time to turn Right.



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Squall_Leonhart said:
Born again Christian... Lol!! This whole election makes me so glad the UK is one of the least religious developed countries!

Religion has no part in politics!

You better believe that turning into atheism is a religious decision my friend.

As Carl Jung said, you can take a man away from religion, but you never take religion from a man.

Meaning, we are deeply concerned with religion or spirituality always, being when we embrace it, or being when we deny it.

Pay attention how passionate atheists are, they are just living religion in the opposite side of the spectrum, but you better believe that men and religion are never going to be appart of each other.

This is why religion is, and always will be, in politics, specially in the Atheistic countries.

It is what HAns Kelsen expressed with the "Being" and the "Necessary Being", you deny the object or you embrace it, but you can never not have a interaction with it. There is no real rebellion, you can turn the switch on, you can turn it off, but you can not make it not exist.



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SpokenTruth said:
WagnerPaiva said:

1. All I see is that some, not all, women vote for her cause she is a woman, and the LGBT vote for her cause they know she will take Obama policies to the extreme, 2. she even said she should create reeducation camps to the people that do not embrace the LGBT Agenda.

3. Now, I now there are loyal democrats in America, that vote left always, but the fact that Bush entered after Bill tells me that the loyalty is pretty fluid.

4. Anyways, this election is the most important event in the whole world in years. It literally affects every single human being in the planet.

1. And you have a lot or men and/or white people that will vote Trump simply because he's a white male.

2. Might I suggest you to discontinue listening to Alex Jones or reading right wing conspiracy web sites. 

3. And there are R's that will always vote R.  Obama getting 2 terms suggests R's can vote for a Dem too.

4. Fully agreed.

Cool coments, but the camp thing is not from Alex Jones, I saw Hillary herself saying she would do it.

Actually, funny thing, a few years ago this is a subject of South Park joke, the Reeducation Camp for Intolerant People. I wonder if this has been a common idea among american politicians for a while.



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I think you see Hillary will win by the polls but since anyone who supports Trump is a racist, bigot, homophobe, sexist, in Hillary's OWN WORDS, the ones who would vote for Trump by don't want to get roped into a debate or reveal that will just say Hillary to appease them but will vote Trump. I live in a blue state and have met about 1 Hillary supporter for every 5 Trump supporters.

Also if you look at the rallies, more people show up to the Trump ones. And finally that Asange or whatever his name is will probably leak something devastating about Hillary. She is so corrupt and so many deaths have been linked to her, I don't get it, she is bought and paid for and will just say things to get elected and scare women as if Trump is going to make them chained to a kitchen. Hillary will just keep status quo, keep minorities down for votes, throw some benefits at them. Liberal cities are just as shitty as they were in 2008 when people thought Obama was going to look out for them and made them worse off than they were.



What do we think? We think you're confused about how elections work. Generally the victor is the person who has the most electoral votes. Ever seen map projections?

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/



tokilamockingbrd said:

well, I already put more perspective in that comment when I responded to someone else. 

But yes, most white people don't believe that racism is not as bad as it is cracked out to because they do not see it. I for one have not witnessed someone being racist in a long long long time. However I am in the Army (as an officer) and I might not hear what some 18 year old from Texas may be saying out of sight from officers. If someone comes forward says they have faced racial discrimination we have strict procecures to follow, I have not had this happen in 7 years. 

I have had an instance where a few black females were trying to claim institutional racism. 2 black females approached me and my platoon Seargent about 6 years ago (when I was still a butter bar) and asked why none of the black females E5s were getting promoted (which was just the 2 of them). My platoon Sergeant pulled their files showed them why... one had been pregnant for almost 5 years straight (this was back when units were constantly rotating to war) and had not taken a PT test, gone to the range, and had not met a few other specific requirements for promotion, and the other was recently promoted to E5 and was not even eligible yet. In their minds this was all about racism. In fact it was not, in the one case she had made decisions that put her a position where she had not met the requirements to be promoted and the other was not even eligible. 

If you have not experienced it then that is good enough.  And if you encountered people who thought they were being treated unfairly, you were able to show them why they had mistaken.  It is good to know that racism is punished in the armed services.  However in the real world, when you encounter it, its not like that at all. (I had made a laundry list of all the things that I expereinced but relized it was overly dramatic and no one cares anyway.) Just know that racism is real, it hurts and it gets to the point where you forgive yourself for ever allowing yourself to think you deserved it for one minute.  Then you get mad, you want changes and then they tell you nothing is wrong. It can make you feel like an immigrant in your own country... and in the end, you stop caring because you start to feel sorry for folks who are so screwed up that they can't even see other suffering.  You forgive them because you know that you are them, with just a different expereince and perspective. But you stand up for yourself and you call it when you see it.  Institutional racism would be like the study that showed how on average a black person has to be about 8x more qualified than their white counterpart applying for the same position.  Then Trump talks about unemplyment in the black community but never offers answers.  He only blames an idea, called Obama and Hillary.  He never identifies core issues.  Reallty no one does because everyone want to act like racism and generational poverty doesn't exist or aren't related.   Boring.