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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - SMD64: AMD confirms 1 unannounced gaming semi-custom design win. Surely it must be NX

 

What is NX?

Nvidia handheld only 39 17.41%
 
AMD handheld only 10 4.46%
 
AMD console only 41 18.30%
 
Nvidia handheld + AMD console 71 31.70%
 
Other 37 16.52%
 
NA/Undecided 26 11.61%
 
Total:224

Peer from IGN just also chimed in and reconfirmed the portable console thing.

I trust Peer. He's been covering Nintendo for like 20 years, he wouldn't just piggy back off false rumors.

http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/8/7/b/87bcd36a17455cd4/NVC_Podcast_091616_mp3.mp3?c_id=12780721&expiration=1474103951&hwt=20e2caedc0acdddc9a2cabfd307bf9e3

NX talk starts at 17 minutes in.

They also say they've confirmed the hybrid stuff with their own sources and from "several" sources at that, not just one source. Detachable controller(s) are in too. 

IMO, SuperMetalDave64 is really clinging to false hope.



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Darc Requiem said:
Soleron said:
I think AMD screwed up and the PS4 Slim was the 3rd console win.

We've been over this already. The PS4 Slim isn't a new design. It's a die shrink. 

AMD said they had three design wins. That means three products, not three new designs. Also, die shrinks don't just happen, they still take a full R&D team a year or more to redesign for the new node. High performance chips are not directly portable between processes any more.



Soleron said:
Darc Requiem said:

We've been over this already. The PS4 Slim isn't a new design. It's a die shrink. 

AMD said they had three design wins. That means three products, not three new designs. Also, die shrinks don't just happen, they still take a full R&D team a year or more to redesign for the new node. High performance chips are not directly portable between processes any more.

If that were the case they'd have four design wins. Xbox One S, PS4 Slim, Scorpio, and PS4 Pro.



Darc Requiem said:
Soleron said:

AMD said they had three design wins. That means three products, not three new designs. Also, die shrinks don't just happen, they still take a full R&D team a year or more to redesign for the new node. High performance chips are not directly portable between processes any more.

If that were the case they'd have four design wins. Xbox One S, PS4 Slim, Scorpio, and PS4 Pro.

If it was NX and they're using the wonder-setup of console and handheld "brothers" as SuperMetalDave insists, it should also be four semi-custom design wins if Nintendo is involved. 



Soundwave said:
Darc Requiem said:

If that were the case they'd have four design wins. Xbox One S, PS4 Slim, Scorpio, and PS4 Pro.

If it was NX and they're using the wonder-setup of console and handheld "brothers" as SuperMetalDave insists, it should also be four semi-custom design wins if Nintendo is involved. 

What is your opinion on DMP releasing a powerful/low wattage mobile chip that supports Vulkan, at the beginning of 2017?

Couldn't it be what would power a supposed Nintendo NX handheld? It's not like Nintendo didn't put ARM processors as placeholders in previous hanheld dev kits in the past...

Then AMD could still be on course for being the NX home console with this mysterious 3rd SOC win...



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Game_God said:
Soundwave said:

If it was NX and they're using the wonder-setup of console and handheld "brothers" as SuperMetalDave insists, it should also be four semi-custom design wins if Nintendo is involved. 

What is your opinion on DMP releasing a powerful/low wattage mobile chip that supports Vulkan, at the beginning of 2017?

Couldn't it be what would power a supposed Nintendo NX handheld? It's not like Nintendo didn't put ARM processors as placeholders in previous hanheld dev kits in the past...

Then AMD could still be on course for being the NX home console with this mysterious 3rd SOC win...

It would be far easier if they're using the "unified platforms" to simply use the same GPU provider. 

Nvidia is the only one that really can make anything and has experience at it too. AMD is not good for mobile/tablet wattage devices. DMP doesn't have expereince the other way. 

Nvidia is the best choice. Besides, they have the best graphics engineers in the business, not sure why people think they are far better options out there. Nvidia is as good as it gets. 

But all of this is moot, because I don't think Nintendo really wants to make the "mega-powerful home console" either way, even if AMD was the part supplier ... I'd say so? AMD made the Wii and Wii U too under Nintendo's discretion and both were woefully underpowered. 

AMD/DMP/NVIDIA don't make the system, they make whatever Nintendo wants them to make. 

The "brother systems" thing doesn't work really if you have a console that's like 10x the power of the handheld. That's not much different from what Nintendo already has with the Wii U/3DS, and I think Nintendo wants to get away from that. The only way to do that is to have the console and portable that are much closer in power and architecture making cross-platform games easy or ..... to release a hybrid portable console that can do the job of both devices and maybe has a different power mode when at home running off wall power. 



Soundwave said:
Game_God said:

What is your opinion on DMP releasing a powerful/low wattage mobile chip that supports Vulkan, at the beginning of 2017?

Couldn't it be what would power a supposed Nintendo NX handheld? It's not like Nintendo didn't put ARM processors as placeholders in previous hanheld dev kits in the past...

Then AMD could still be on course for being the NX home console with this mysterious 3rd SOC win...

It would be far easier if they're using the "unified platforms" to simply use the same GPU provider. 

Nvidia is the only one that really can make anything and has experience at it too. AMD is not good for mobile/tablet wattage devices. DMP doesn't have expereince the other way. 

Nvidia is the best choice. Besides, they have the best graphics engineers in the business, not sure why people think they are far better options out there. Nvidia is as good as it gets. 

But all of this is moot, because I don't think Nintendo really wants to make the "mega-powerful home console" either way, even if AMD was the part supplier ... I'd say so? AMD made the Wii and Wii U too under Nintendo's discretion and both were woefully underpowered. 

AMD/DMP/NVIDIA don't make the system, they make whatever Nintendo wants them to make. 

The "brother systems" thing doesn't work really if you have a console that's like 10x the power of the handheld. That's not much different from what Nintendo already has with the Wii U/3DS, and I think Nintendo wants to get away from that. The only way to do that is to have the console and portable that are much closer in power and architecture making cross-platform games easy or ..... to release a hybrid portable console that can do the job of both devices and maybe has a different power mode when at home running off wall power. 

Well I had a response typed for this, but my browser just trashed the page, I hate doing twice the same thing, so I will leave you with no response, FU Firefox!!!



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Nvidia have a history of being absolutely awful to deal with. Both Sony and Microsoft have been burned by them and regret dealing with them. Microsoft for the original xbox and Sony for the PS3 gpu. There are other horror stories in the PC sector, laptop gpu's etc.

It's not unknown for a console supplier to consider 2 options and then finalise at the end. Dreamcast had 2 options before going with powervr. I think Nintendo previously had 2 potential suppliers for the DS.

I think NX would be far better off with a x86 processor than Arm. I think being Arm based we will get enhanced versions of mobile games and being x86 will get cutdown versions of PC, PS4 and Xbone games plus enhanced mobile games. I'd like to see the NX using the new Zen architecture from AMD. Perhaps a dual core (4 threads) design with a decent radeon gpu in the 1tflops + zone using DDR4 memory. Maybe 4GB of memory. All possible with a 14nm fabrication process in a tablet. Zen is all about power efficiency and with AMD's long history of being behind Intel in fabrication (now finally catching up) they were always forced to work harder in this regard for thermal reasons.

I don't have a problem with Nvidia though I just feel it will take Nintendo further away from mainstream gaming.

With the wii u Nintendo went for low level graphics performance and very, very low level cpu performance and I think that ratio will continue with cpu performance being of less importance so I suspect if they do go with Zen it will only feature 2 cpu cores at most at lets say 1.8ghz in portable mode and 3.2ghz in the base with fan cooling.



The goal post moving in this thread are pretty insane!
I understand wanting to believe the rumors of your choice, but they are all in fact just that rumors. People quoting Peer or the other guys from IGN must still understand that they themselves discussed the information as just rumors as well, not for people to go out and repeat it as fact...

We are trying to get people to at least acknowledge that on some level AMD maybe involved with the NX and many are speculating as if this is something so far fetched. We don't fully know what the NX is or whether it consists of multiple devices and people are discussing the system as if they know for a fact what it is and isn't.



JRPGfan said:
globalisateur said:
Hopefully it's not. AMD products are terrible at power efficiency. And you badly need power efficiency hardware in a tablet.

Not if you use their technology right.

The ARM cpu's amd can make, are equal to whatever arm cpu nvidia would put in their tegra line.

How do you know that? Are there any ARM SoCs for mobile devices available which prove that power efficiency claim?

AMD's first (only?) ARM-SoC for the server market wasn't very competive: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9956/the-silver-lining-of-the-late-amd-opteron-a1100-arrival