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Swordmasterman on 12 September 2016
invetedlotus123 said:
Slimebeast said:
Wasn't Brazil's economy booming in the years before 2008 (or whenever it was the global financial crysis hit your country)? Or am I rong?

I fink you hade a nice 5% GDP yearly growf and wages went up. But the crysis has gone on for much longer in Brazil than it did in the West.

It was a fake. And the Crisis that have hitted us from 2014 til now destroyed everything we grew in the 5 years prior. Brazil economy is being dismantled. It`s sad because we can actually see the crisis happening, loads of business closing doors, loads of people that got extremely qualified for the future that was promised us are now having a hard time to find a job at a call center, people living in the street are becoming more common than we should be confortable with. 

And what is worse is while the wages are becoming lower the prices are increasing in horrenduous rates, and for basic things like food, water and electricity. Going to the supermarket is now a nightmare and many low income families are having to rationalize food so they don`t starve. Housing in any big city is also a nightmare. Renting prices went up so much that, like in my city, that a basic apartment in a middle class neighborhood price for renting is 1000 BRL per month, excluding any other house costs. 

In Rio De Janeiro things are even worse, in some neighborhoods there the price for a very basic flat can reach 2 million BRL, it`s cheaper to buy a castle in FRance than an apartment in Leblon or Barra ( Rio neighborhoods).

You know that this is the most ridiculous thing to compare the living cost of a country by taking the $ needed to live in the most expensive region of the old Imperial city. The place that only lose in price per square meter to the country's biggest city, which generates, in the state, 32% of the country's money against 12-14% that the second biggest state.

 

It is like using the price to live in the Montaigne in France as  the standart price.

 

If you want to have a castle in France and don't mind living  under a rock in the middle of nowhere, of course that it will be cheaper than purchasing a smaller house in one of the most rich  residential regions of the country. But if you want to live in  one of France's better locations, Just the rent price will be bigger than purchasing  a house of the same size on Brazil.



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Swordmasterman on 12 September 2016
invetedlotus123 said:
Swordmasterman said:
A lot of countries have their high tax, and even some states of the USA. The US$ being up YOY isn't just for 1 country, it is a worldwide problem. And what is expected for a technology lover is to be among the early adopters, they are supposed to have money.

For a country like Brazil with 200+ Millions of people, very poor regions and very rich ones, having a PIB Per Capita of over 29.000R$ (over 14.500US$ at last year's exchange rate) per citzen isn't a low number.

It becomes low because here there's a huge unequally division of riches. There are a part of the population that is obscenely rich and a huge amount that is extremely poor and the middle class. They say here that 1% of the population controls around 30% of all the money. 

I don't know the source of your numbers. But the region of the country that has over 50-53% of the money is also the region with over 50% of the population. The difference is bigger in the other regions, but in the reacher ones pretty much everyone  is able to purchase tech just like other European countries. The difference is that the tax in unnecessary products, such as Tech, is very heavy, over 100% in some cases. Plus the US$ being over 100% up last year plus the profit margin of the stores. 

The tax is different in each state and city. 

Tech is expensive because isn't made on the country. And even if it were made here, they would need to bring everyone in order to lower the price. In the actual country they just finish the product here, but all the other things like Cards and the core of the tech is imported. 

You know that we have a region where  isn't any tax on productions, don't you ?  Even so, isn't enought if companies don't want to make their products here.



invetedlotus123 on 12 September 2016
Swordmasterman said:
invetedlotus123 said:

It was a fake. And the Crisis that have hitted us from 2014 til now destroyed everything we grew in the 5 years prior. Brazil economy is being dismantled. It`s sad because we can actually see the crisis happening, loads of business closing doors, loads of people that got extremely qualified for the future that was promised us are now having a hard time to find a job at a call center, people living in the street are becoming more common than we should be confortable with. 

And what is worse is while the wages are becoming lower the prices are increasing in horrenduous rates, and for basic things like food, water and electricity. Going to the supermarket is now a nightmare and many low income families are having to rationalize food so they don`t starve. Housing in any big city is also a nightmare. Renting prices went up so much that, like in my city, that a basic apartment in a middle class neighborhood price for renting is 1000 BRL per month, excluding any other house costs. 

In Rio De Janeiro things are even worse, in some neighborhoods there the price for a very basic flat can reach 2 million BRL, it`s cheaper to buy a castle in FRance than an apartment in Leblon or Barra ( Rio neighborhoods).

You know that this is the most ridiculous thing to compare the living cost of a country by taking the $ needed to live in the most expensive region of the old Imperial city. The place that only lose in price per square meter to the country's biggest city, which generates, in the state, 32% of the country's money against 12-14% that the second biggest state.

 

It is like using the price to live in the Montaigne in France as  the standart price.

 

If you want to have a castle in France and don't mind living  under a rock in the middle of nowhere, of course that it will be cheaper than purchasing a smaller house in one of the most rich  residential regions of the country. But if you want to live in  one of France's better locations, Just the rent price will be bigger than purchasing  a house of the same size on Brazil.

Yeah, but Rio is nothing but hype. That city is just a very big mess with islands of extreme wealthy. And the cariocas are the most deluded people I ever met, the city is fallen apart and they are " But this is Rio, it`s ok, let`s enjoy what`s good". And the problems is the entire city got expensive based on the hype of World Cup and Olympics, my friends that lives there says the price of everything skyrocketed for World Cup but never came down again. Quality of life there is nothing to brag about either. I wouldn't choose Rio over Brasilia anyday, Brasilia is one of the most ambitious engineer projects of the 20st century and don`t get the recognizement it deserves, it`s a shame everything that happens in Brazil is centered in Rio. I would love the Olympics to have happened in Brasilia or even Sao Paulo, it would help break the stereotype of Brazil party country.



Swordmasterman on 12 September 2016
invetedlotus123 said:
Swordmasterman said:

You know that this is the most ridiculous thing to compare the living cost of a country by taking the $ needed to live in the most expensive region of the old Imperial city. The place that only lose in price per square meter to the country's biggest city, which generates, in the state, 32% of the country's money against 12-14% that the second biggest state.

 

It is like using the price to live in the Montaigne in France as  the standart price.

 

If you want to have a castle in France and don't mind living  under a rock in the middle of nowhere, of course that it will be cheaper than purchasing a smaller house in one of the most rich  residential regions of the country. But if you want to live in  one of France's better locations, Just the rent price will be bigger than purchasing  a house of the same size on Brazil.

Yeah, but Rio is nothing but hype. That city is just a very big mess with islands of extreme wealthy. And the cariocas are the most deluded people I ever met, the city is fallen apart and they are " But this is Rio, it`s ok, let`s enjoy what`s good". And the problems is the entire city got expensive based on the hype of World Cup and Olympics, my friends that lives there says the price of everything skyrocketed for World Cup but never came down again. Quality of life there is nothing to brag about either. I wouldn't choose Rio over Brasilia anyday, Brasilia is one of the most ambitious engineer projects of the 20st century and don`t get the recognizement it deserves, it`s a shame everything that happens in Brazil is centered in Rio. I would love the Olympics to have happened in Brasilia or even Sao Paulo, it would help break the stereotype of Brazil party country.

Rio being the house of the Imperial family, capital of the country for over 400 years don't had nothing to do with it ? When people want to make an event on a country of course that they won't make the event on the biggest commercial center or on the city which is just a plane field.

This is also a thing to help the country. You can spin how much you want but Brasilia isn't a residential district. Anything made there would only benefit over 2-3 Millions of citzens while on Rio there is 6-7 Millions of people who will benefit directly from the games and other 10 Millions of people in the same state, which isn't so large in land territory, that can benefit from the games.

Sao Paolo is too commercial for the games. The city don't have nothing despite the buildings and half of the city is  a Residential region while the other is a Commercial one, and the 2 are far away from each other. If they  made the headquarters of the game on the  commercial distric the people would have little to no benefit thus the country's government would not give money for the city to make the games. Those billions they used to make the games are intended to be also investment in people's lifes.

 

And if the game were on the Residential region ? the tourists would self-kill-them-self because they would take years to arrive at the games. And would need to go back the same way every single day because there isn't enought if not any hotels, on that region, to host them all.



Alex_The_Hedgehog on 12 September 2016

Nem me fale.

As a PC gamer, I'm glad my "not-so-expensive" RIG still manages to play some modern games with decent performance, because GPUs are way too overpriced here. I would never pay over 2.000 BRL for a GTX 1070.



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jonathanalis on 12 September 2016

Yeah, i know.
Cars are a good example.
Cars that are mounted here are much more expensive than the same cars exported for Chile.
Doesnt make any sense.

Im considering moving to Canada...



Swordmasterman on 12 September 2016
jonathanalis said:
Yeah, i know.
Cars are a good example.
Cars that are mounted here are much more expensive than the same cars exported for Chile.
Doesnt make any sense.

Im considering moving to Canada...

Isn't there any imigration laws on Canada ?



Netyaroze on 12 September 2016
BHeletrica said:
Netyaroze said:

Elektrical Cars are relatively affordable and start to compete with Oil Cars atleast in the upper Class. Tesla and BMW i3 are a regular picture for me. In 1-2 decades oil cars will be replaced by Electric cars. I say that because I see first hand how the Automotive Industry in Germany is investing Billions. All my friends who studied electro engineering are working in R&D for Bosch Varta Mercedes Porsche. There is a market and it will hit everyone very soon.  Or else nobody would spend money for that. Porsche Mercedes Volkswagen BMW all of them will expand their investments in to this technology even more. I dont give a fuck about Musk and if he is a conman or not. But Tesla undoubtedly woke the german manufactures. EVs are here to stay and will come fast. 

At lest in the upper class, wich englobe 10% of the maket? a very small part i´d say. Tesla does not woke anything, they just have a bigger marketing machine. All the car companies are researching the electric fuel because there will be a market for electric cars and everybody want a piece of it. Tesla does not invent the concept of electric cars, the concept exist for decades, they just make the public believe they are pionieers.  I study electric engeneering in Brazil and this topic is a very popular talk whith my professors. Im sure that the germans manufactures are developing the tecnology because of their self interest not because tesla.

The investments picked up after Tesla brought the Model S also there was alot of media attention on electric cars here after Tesla. They changed the image of the electrical car. I am not saying they invented the electric car. The electric car was invented a century ago. But they marketed it well thats their success. Making the public believe in something is an accomplishment. They brought attention to it. Its just a matter of time (10-20 years) until the middle class will also drive mainly electrical vehicles. 

Mercedes will come with an EV between E and C class soonish. And I cant wait for the reveal. I think the build quality of Tesla is lacking alot which is really disappointing considering the car costs 100000 Euro.  

I will not discuss this further as this is off topic. However those are my 5 cents to the matter. 



SvennoJ on 12 September 2016
jonathanalis said:
Yeah, i know.
Cars are a good example.
Cars that are mounted here are much more expensive than the same cars exported for Chile.
Doesnt make any sense.

Im considering moving to Canada...

My internet got capped to 60GB a month after it being unlimited at first. Now I'm on 270GB a month. We have the most expensive cell phone plans, and atm due to weak Canadian dollar and simple price gouging some electronics can be twice as expensive as in the US.
It's probably still a lot better than Brazil though, no outrageous console prices here.



SvennoJ on 12 September 2016
Swordmasterman said:
jonathanalis said:
Yeah, i know.
Cars are a good example.
Cars that are mounted here are much more expensive than the same cars exported for Chile.
Doesnt make any sense.

Im considering moving to Canada...

Isn't there any imigration laws on Canada ?

You can drift in on a boat like American refugees :)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/floatdown-sarnia-americans-wash-ashore-1.3730792

There are plenty hoops to go through, I've done it myself in 2002. The whole process took about 15 months back then. (It didn't help I lived in The Netherlands, the closest immigration embassy was in Berlin and my physical checkup results needed to go through Switzerland)