That would be a very bad idea from Sony. PS4 Pro is more than enough to compete with Xbox Scorpio.
Playstation 5 should launch 2020 imo.

How many consoles do you want to buy?

Arms? Really? I was thinking it was more a ....... size competition :P

This is a really good post and resonates with my own beliefs of how the console industry will move forward. A realistic take on how the tech will advance and what will be the limits of PS5/X2 consoles unless a breakthrough is made. Graphically, there exists a generational step and that is ray-tracing. It will divide graphics simply to, before ray-tracing and after ray-tracing. I don't believe PS5 will be able to do ray-tracing and for the rest of this post I make that assumption.

When I read these forums, all I see is people clinging to the word generation time and time again. Those days are over, PS4 to PS5 will be nowhere near the same as PS1 to PS2, or some other truly generational leap in the past. Generational in the sense that it actually mattered, it made a difference in real world terms and not just in paper.

Think how the actual games changed in the past and how games will change in the future when this so called generation leap happens.

Let's look at PS1 and the jump to PS2. Games like Final Fantasy X, Gran Turismo 3, Metal Gear Solid 2, Devil May Cry, these games simply couldn't be done on the PS1. If they had made PS1 versions, those games would have looked unrecognizable, like a totally different game from the PS2 version.

Now think about PS4, PS4Pro and PS5. I think it is safe to say, there will be a Call of Duty game which will release for both PS4 and PS5, let's use that as our imaginary example. PS5 Cod will look significantly better than the PS4 version but it will still be very much the same game in every sense. But then you go on and compare PS5 CoD to PS4Pro and it is guaranteed the differences will be a lot smaller. The difference between PS5 and PS4 could be loosely called generational compared to the past. Following this logic, how could PS5 and PS4Pro difference be called generational? How could this scenario be called nothing else than BLURRING THE GENERATIONS?

And this is only comparing the Playstation family. What will be the difference between PS5 and Scorpio. Even smaller. And this is why it doesn't matter Scorpio is releasing late to this generation. Scorpio will be very capable and comparable even when PS5 gets released and the consumer will have to make a choice between $249 Scorpio or $399 PS5. The price difference can be bigger or smaller, what will matter is the value proposition and it is safe to assume that it will be competitive.

Then there are the games. A lot of people sound like the generations set the games apart but that is not true anymore. It was like that in the past but look at our current console market. For this generation cross-gen keeps going and going, you could call that blurring of the generations too. There was cross-gen games like  Titanfall, Watch Dogs, Call of Duty, Sports Games, Metal Gear Solid V, Dragon Age and many more. Point is, the majority of games released only for PS4/X1 could be made for PS3/X360 also but the publishers let it go because it was not financially viable anymore. Look at Japanese publishers, they already have the PS3 version made but still won't bring it to west, it's just not financially viable. And this is exactly how it will play out for the majority of games in the future. PS4/X1, PS4Pro/Scorpio, PS5/X2...etc. versions will be dropped out when it is not financially viable anymore. This is the natural way how things work. It's not the generations that dictate this but hard cold cash.

In the end, there will be Sony consoles, Microsoft consoles, corporation X consoles, the consumer goes to retail and buys a SKU which suits his needs, whether it is the less or more powerful SKU does not matter, the consumer will be guaranteed to get games support for X-years. Yes, looking at the spec sheets, you will be able to divide consoles by generation but it will not translate to real world terms. This is the generationless approach. No, it will not happen overnight, it will not be like flip-a-switch, it will take time but it will get there slowly.

It has already started.

Nope. I honestly don't think as many people are going to care about 4K, as these companies think will.

Hahaha, No need. I predict that PS4 Pro outsell than Scorpio 1.5~ 2.0 times ( Lifetime ) even NA.

It's my opinion that MS found out that Sony were releasing a new console this year which was a massive problem for them, because they would be at least a year out and were not expecting it and Sony would continue to pull people in with a better spec machine and a cheaper faster machine. So this meant Sony has two consoles better than MS. So i suspect thats why they went to E3 with a video showing what Scorpio was as they knew like the rest of us what the Sony device was going to be, either option that was apparently on the table was less than 6TF, so just say you are making a 6tf machine.

I think the Pr strategy worked because on the internet there are lots of people who are now suddenly interested in specs again, and I had a twitter exchange with people like Boogie who was saying Sony fumbled it because they were releasing a console that was 30% less powerful than the scorpio, even though we all know that scorpio isnt an actual device yet and not avaialable for at least another 12 months. Of course the console will be less powerful if its released a full year before the competitor, thats like saying the iPhone 7 will be less powerful than the iPhone 8. There will always be a console that is more powerful than the other, and to be fair thats the point I'm trying to make, which is launches are no longer aligned again and so we are in a situation where people are not having to replace their libraries the market has shifted.

If we look back to the PS3, it had a terrible price, but in the end the best library, it was less powerful than the Xbox in some ways but developers like Naughty dog made the Cell look powerful... all in all which stopped the console from being totally destroyed outside of the USA. This time the PS4 will have both the cost benefit and library benefit. So it wont have the power, but if we look at the returns of a more powerful console is going to give we are starting to get the to the point where we are seeing less benefits, and with consoles not being started afresh and PS4 games having to work on Pro machines, unless MS change their mind and make scorpio specific games I dont think people will notice much difference between it and the Pro, because they'll be held back by the XBO.

Price is an interesting aspect here, because the PS3 was too damn high, but every time Sony wanted to drop the price MS were there to match or improve it and Sony were never really able to claw back sales at a fast rate. I think price wise we can forget about the slim, this will drop by 50 pounds by xmas, but most people will be comparing the pro with scorpio. Next year Say MS bring out a 449 system, Sony could easily be alot cheaper than this by at least 100. is 30% difference going to make a big change in sales, of course the XBO will get good initial sales due to a new console launch, but its not going to beat a console that is 100 cheaper with a better library of games/

So long story short :) no I do not think Sony will release a PS5 console with Scorpio because I just dont think they need to.

As harsh as it can get, it's the other way.

This could potentially mark the end of Xbox console as a brand. They will simply go about posting hardware updates putting the devs into a fix. Dreamcast of Sega had struggled after besting ps2 hardware and see where it ended up, in less than 2 years of not being able to compete with the massively succesful ps2, Sega discontinued and were out of the console business. If Xbox Scorpio falters the same way as to (PS4 slim+ PS4 Pro) when sales data are in, then its trouble. Most console gamers would stick with current consoles brought at launch or buy new at lower prices where the PS4 slim comes into relevance. Sony clearly knows how to market their features well by targetting their audience. PS4 Pro is simply targetted for the enthusiasts with a valid reason. I'm getting a PS4 Pro, because I own a 4K monitor and wish to play ps4 pro enhanced games at that resolution. It baffles me, that 4K Blu-Ray is considered as a feature to compete with where the audience is pretty much niche. Ps4 Pro would sell less for many other reasons, but 4K blu-ray is not one.

Why ?

Sony is the leader, they can stay with the ps4neo until 2019, even 2020 easily.