I don't see why people are so dissapointed with the ps4 pro.
I knew from the start that we won't be getting native 4k resolution.And I really don't believe you're gonna have native 4k on the scorpio.
A pc with a 400-500 usd graphics card is struggling to run games at 4k with settings cranked all the way up.
A console that costs 400 bucks that can run at 4k natively,yeah that ain't happening.

Definitely. 2019/2020. Give us a good 6-7 year cycle, probably 7 considering the PS4 Pro is being released. They don't wanna do a Nintendo and essentially cut of support 4 years in....

I think most people vocal about their disappointment with the PS4 Pro are either people who weren't considering it no matter what, or the usual [elitist] PC gamers who will downplay anything console related no matter what (and in most case with the exception of Nintendo consoles, for some reason).

Personally, I will be getting the PS4 Pro. My regular PS4 will go into my son's room, and the Pro will take its place in the living room. In december, I am getting a 4K TV, and it's only then that I will be able to say if there's any disappointment to be had with this new console. I still think the enhancements to games running on 1080p TVs are welcome, especially supersampling, but until I have actual hands on with the system, I cannot say if the lack of native 4K compared to the techniques the Pro uses to achieve picture quality close to 4K will end up being such a big deal to me.

I think most people in here should stop basing everything on the specs numbers and wait to see the actual games speak for themselves. Most people complaining do it based on the specs, or on streaming footage. Although the benefits of HDR will be difficult to acknowledge without seeing it in effect first hand, the rest of the improvements can be seen right away by looking at high resolution pictures or high quality 4k videos.

I personally think most people disappointed with the Pro are disappointed because it doesn't contain a 4k blu ray player. I do believe that when the product is in stores and running on an UHD TV with HDR, the vast majority of gamers(casual and hardcore) will be blown away in person by the visuals. I only viewed the PS4 Pro game footage on my laptop via youtube(my laptop screen isn't even 1080P and Youtube compresses videos, and said videos were of a low bitrate) and even I could see a huge improvement over the standard PS4 footage.

Why? Just why? Because Scorpio is a bit stronger? The difference between X1 and PS4 isn't that big, the difference between Scorpio and Pro wont be that big.

More importantly, when did the strongest hardware ever win a generation?

No, with a reason. The same reason why MS and Sony aren't so much reacting to each other but waiting for technological steps.

Playstation '5' and Nextbox should launch when the right technique is ready for the mass market. Might totally make sense to wait until 2020/2021 for mass market 7nm products. Otherwise new hardware might be a to small step.

I can totally see Sony using the 8Tf card in 2018 if the Scorpio actually sells well.

The problem with expensive consoles is that you better have the exclusives to back your system up, otherwise you are simply competing against custom computers that will probably perform better at a lower cost and that don't require a monthly subscription.

To wrap up, the PS5's existence is conditioned to whether or not Scorpio delivers.

No... you cannot build a PC as powerful as the PS4 Pro for the same price. I actually went on PC Parts Picker earlier today to attempt to do just that. Don't see why it should be any different with Scorpio/PS5

Yeah, Onionberry also noticed that. It goes like: look, my d*ck is sooo huge! And then all the fans are like: Look, that d*ck is sooooooo huge!!! But then someone says: Hey wait, that d*ck over there is much bigger!!! We need to have that one! And then everybody screams and runs around in circles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjzC2DRgEo4

Sony can wait for PS5 in 2020 ... it just means MS will have the best multiplats for like three years from 2017 onwards on Scorpio.