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hershel_layton said:
DélioPT said:

I completely forgot about it...
You're right, that software does allow for that - except it also forces you to install other apps to keep using it.

Nintendo's problems resolved! If that company could do it, so can Nintendo. And Google to help optimize it, the better!

Weird. It never made me download anything else(besides the actual apps I want)

It made me install two games so i could play again (after closing and opening the program again).
I think there's a 2.0 version. Don't know if they changed that. May try to see if they did.



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Miyamoto's pretty late in noticing this. Where has been in the world all this time...? It's too hard not to notice people on their phones, especially in Japan. At least Nintendo as a whole is now doing something about it.



 

              

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maxleresistant said:
Soundwave said:

Well it is definitely the start of a new era for Nintendo. Lets hope it doesn't go the way you predict. 

On one hand maybe Nintendo's embrace of smartphones could be a net positive in that they can take out their "need" to appeal to casuals and beginner gamers on the smartphone rather than creating an entire platform to that idea and trying to balance it out so more experienced players can also play. 

I'm sure they'll still make "core" Nintendo titles like Zelda and Super Mario, in fact the NX will need to now have more "epic" versions of those games to justify the need for dedicated hardware versus just making a controller on iPhone and letting everyone play that way. 

For example now that "Super Mario Run" is on mobile and taking care of beginner/casual players, maybe Nintendo can push the console Mario platformers a bit. The NSMB series was really getting stagnant. 

But I agree, once Nintendo gets a taste of the massive profit smartphone apps can generate ... they could very well get the wrong message and start shifting priorities. Money talks. 

That was my hope when they first announced their mobile games, but it doesn't make sense, Nintendo has no plans for core gamers, right now they are aiming at everyone or just casuals, and I don't see why that would change.

I would have been really happy if Nintendo kept taking care of core gamers alongside the casual market, but I don't see it happening. They're dumbing down their games more and more each years. Mor mario, Kirby, Animal crossing, Pokemon. Meanwhile Starfox, Metroid, and others are dying IPs.

It's just sad.

Wtf are you talking about?

 

Pokemon is much more complex than Gens I/II. Do you not realize how sophisticated the game actually is? 

 

Not just that- Sun/Moon is finally bringing a change- a good one. It has no sign of Pokemon being dumbed down.

 

 

As for animal crossing, in what way is it dumbed down? Are you talking about the spinoffs no one cares about? Or the main series? I'll understand if you're talking about the spinoffs. as for the main series, it was always extremely kid-friendly. 



 

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hershel_layton said:
maxleresistant said:

That was my hope when they first announced their mobile games, but it doesn't make sense, Nintendo has no plans for core gamers, right now they are aiming at everyone or just casuals, and I don't see why that would change.

I would have been really happy if Nintendo kept taking care of core gamers alongside the casual market, but I don't see it happening. They're dumbing down their games more and more each years. Mor mario, Kirby, Animal crossing, Pokemon. Meanwhile Starfox, Metroid, and others are dying IPs.

It's just sad.

Wtf are you talking about?

 

Pokemon is much more complex than Gens I/II. Do you not realize how sophisticated the game actually is? 

 

Not just that- Sun/Moon is finally bringing a change- a good one. It has no sign of Pokemon being dumbed down.

 

 

As for animal crossing, in what way is it dumbed down? Are you talking about the spinoffs no one cares about? Or the main series? I'll understand if you're talking about the spinoffs. as for the main series, it was always extremely kid-friendly. 

And it wasn't like Gen I/II were completely perfect either. Gen I's Psychic type Pokemon were a bit too OP and Whitney's Milktank was a bit of a pain to deal with for a 3rd gym badge. Yes they're still great, but not always perfect. As the gens continued, there have been updates to the battle mechanics and stats as well. Weather, abilities, nature, etc. all became big factors throughout the years. Not to mention double battles, triple battles, rotation battles, Megas, and the new Z moves and Battle Royale.

And Animal Crossing is probably more popular than it has ever been before. With Isabelle being one of the most well know characters in Japan and the fact that females take up majority of the fan base in Japan, Nintendo has done a great job in creating an IP that captures the attention of a multitude of demographics. Plus they said they'll continue to find ways to get more females into this particular IP. Heck their new director is a female.



KLXVER said:
UltimateUnknown said:
If a year ago someone said the exact same words Miyamoto said as to why Nintendo should start releasing their games on smartphones, they would be burned alive at the stake. Yet now the Nintendo fans are so glad that Nintendo has "come to their senses". Heck I remember the amount of hate Pachter got when he mentioned at some point that Nintendo is leaving huge money on the table by not bringing their games to smartphones. How times have changed.

That being said, I personally am not interested in playing any smartphone games. I just hope Nintendo doesn't lose their true identity which in the search for the smartphone success.

Its not like Mario Run would have been made on the 3DS or WiiU if Nintendo decided not to enter the mobile market. Its just a simple title to get people interested in the franchise. If the next Mario game for the NX is also being released on mobiles, then I would start worrying.

Fair enough. I agree that at this point it's is a wait and see game. I just can't help but wonder what Nintendo will be thinking a few years down the road if most of their big franchises are runaway successes and money printing machines on mobile like Pokemon Go, especially if NX doesn't sell that well and the software on it barely makes them much profit with all the hard work put into them compared to mobile where games are so much simpler to make both financially and technically. With they feel so inclined to invest big on console titles when they've tasted the massive easy money on mobile?

Nintendo unlike other developers on mobile already has generations worth of brand recognition to easily have their titles be noticed on smartphones, so they're not going to get lost in the shuffle of the mobile market that most small developers succumb to.



 

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Kids first game machine is smartphone....

He should be ashamed of himself.



Kai_Mao said:
maxleresistant said:

They already started 10 years ago. and it's just going to get worse.

I don't think it's really worse per say. I mean one of biggest reasons Fire Emblem Awakening and Fates are selling so well compared to their predecessors was the fact they made it accessible to gamers other than the hardcore audience. For me, and I'm sure for others, Fire Emblem was a series was interested in since Melee but never really got around to get into the games until Awakening. Sure the art style and the game play were great but to have casual mode put less pressure on me while playing FE for the first time, let alone a turn based strategy game.

Mario has always been known for easy to play hard to master. Donkey Kong is still challenging even in his latest adventures. Mainline Pokemon games are already known to be for everyone (though they have been a tad easier to complete, though I personally don't mind). I've played a lot of Nintendo's recent games and they're not often dumbed down to me (I guess Skyward Sword took it a little too far but I enjoyed it nonetheless).

I respect your opinion, but I disagree as well. I think they're still releasing excellent games that are just trying to see a broader audience. Core gamers are a smaller audience compared to the casual audience in general. If people here in this forum are complaining that Nintendo's core audience is dwindling (like 70+ million if you count the 3DS user base which is still Nintendo mind you), then just reaching out to the core isn't going to get it done. Of course a balance of core and casual audience is preferred. I don't know, I've played games for a long time and might just have a different perspective and experience from you.

I think making FE a bit more accesible was a must. Awakening would have been the last FE ever made if it would have flopped.



                
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sethnintendo said:
Kids first game machine is smartphone....

He should be ashamed of himself.

Kinda like saying someone should be ashamed of themselves for getting hit by a tsunami. 

Mobile revolution has changed the world, just like television and the internet did. It is one of those things that happens maybe every 30 years where some technology changes human civilization basically. 

3DS/Vita never had a prayer of not being massively impacted. 



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RolStoppable said:
zippy said:

What, a game that was conceived and developed for the Wii U over a number of years and quickly ported to the NX?

Yes, zippy. A game that didn't enter full force development until it was clear that the Wii U was a failure and shows drastic changes compared to its predecessors counts as a glimpse of the future. You can bet your butt that Aonuma doesn't like making an open world Zelda because that has severe influences on how the story can be told and how puzzles can be implemented. But while Aonuma doesn't like it, consumers sure seem to look forward to all the changes.

If none of the above convinces you, you still have to admit that an actual game counts for more than fears for an imaginary future.

A game that was shown in playable form on current gen hardware because the next gen port wasn't complete.I hate disagreeing with one of my fave vg charts posters, but BOTW is first and foremost a Wii U game



Soundwave said:
sethnintendo said:
Kids first game machine is smartphone....

He should be ashamed of himself.

Kinda like saying someone should be ashamed of themselves for getting hit by a tsunami. 

Mobile revolution has changed the world, just like television and the internet did. It is one of those things that happens maybe every 30 years where some technology changes human civilization basically. 

3DS/Vita never had a prayer of not being massively impacted. 

His kids first game machine should have been a NES and the first game played Super Mario Bros.  D pad is far superior for controlling a platform game.  I'm sorry I don't give a shit how popular somethings become.  Sometimes there are just better options in life and the better option this time is actually cheaper.