People who like to own and sell the things they pay for.  So alot of people.

Just look at all the collection posts and pickup videos all over the web.

XBO had a miserable launch because of their original anti ownership and anti physical media stance.  Until digital only proponents are willing to acknowledge consumer rights and ownership or make it so cheap nobody cares anymore (see iTunes, Steam, Netflix) instead of licking their lips at ways they can use digital only to monetize and nickel and dime, vendor lock, and or abuse and take advantage of consumers, it's going to continue to face XBox One launch reveal levels of resistance and rejection.

Meanwhike MS is probably still busy trying to figure out how to monetize Kinect to charge per head for pay per view content.

All other digital content delivery systems have reconciled user rights and or made the service so cheap it doesn't matter.  As long as you have greedy video game behemoths like Microsoft, EA, and Activision not willing to let go while driving the push to digital, video games will never have the same success as a digital only platform. To them it's not an alternative content delivery but a way to make more money off the same amount of product (ways to monetize and rip you off more).

These greedy AAA fucks are going to need to let go if video games are to be see the same digital revolution as every other industry, but they won't because they only want to go digital so they can monopolize the distribution channel to keep stuff at 59.99 or more and not have competition from Walmart/Bestbuy/Amazon/Gamestop/etc .  This simply doesn't happen on Steam or anywhere else with a successful digital infrastructure.

Digital only looks like the future because the casual mainstream masses of trendy loving sheep eat it up without question like they do everything else.  Those of us OG gamers who still have piles of games back to NES carts aren't so willing to eat out of someone else's hand as long as it's still attached to an arm that can take it away and manipulate us with it.

Also PS Pro has a drive.  Just isn't 4k BD compatible.

Mechanical media is dead.  Why is 4k BD even a thing?  No excuse for non solid state media. 4K and games media should be 128GB+ mask ROMs the size of 3DS/Vita carts and not 1970s spindle crap anyway.  Our CPUs can do 100s of GB/s and we still cripple them with shitty mechanical IO bottlenecks that drop to 10s of KB/s when you start to seek randomly.

My opinion is that they are both pointless and a waste of money unless you do not already have a PS4/X1. With that in mind, I will be getting neither and don't really care one way or another.

Im going to get the Scorpio. Sony had the outrageous idea of competing with PC and gave Microsoft the chance to redeem themselves by building a more powerful premium console to satisfy enthusiast gamers.

I am not a xbox guy, but in this battle i pick up the scorpio because IT IS the actual succesor of XBOX ONE. i dont like this midd generation upgrade garbage

Maybe, maybe not... Xbox One is still the baseline for developers when the Scorpio releases. And there won't be any exclusives (Scorpio only) for the console apart from VR. Hence its still tied down to this generation.

When PS5 eventually launches, you can be sure that MS isn't long to follow suit.

I'm going to get Scorpio because it should be a significant improvement over Xbox One.

Sony has the games now, but it didn't always have them.
If you were to look over the last few years it seemed that Microsoft had all the best games in their hat ready to come, yet they still didn't make up any ground.

Nintendo typically has a massive ton of exclusives relative to the amount of multiplats on the Wii U and still hasn't seen much headway.
Ergo, it wouldn't be an insane idea to assume that exclusives have minimal effect on a consoles sales rate, it does help though for sure, but it's still not the winning factor it seems.

Graphics prowess is another aspect, where historically it hasn't been the defining factor on who wins a console generation.

Sony just had good advertising since it's original PS4 unveil which has given them a level of brand recognition that is envious to it's competitors.
And good on them, they played the right cards at the right time when their competitors made mistakes, that's what competition is all about.

I think people need to be realistic though, even with Scorpio dropping and having the technical advantage and likely superior multiplats, it's probably not going to be changing the current status quo in terms of hardware marketshare, which is unfortunate, I would like to see all platforms be fairly equal, competition is what drives innovation and lower prices.

Considering many thought that the Playstation 4 Neo/4k/Pro was going to have a Zen CPU (Which I constantly rebuffed as the chip hadn't taped once that console started development.)
I would also assume that Microsoft will use Jaguar or take advantage of Puma/Puma+ for similar reasons.

I would also assume that it will be a chip built at 16nm at TSMC rather than 14nm at Global Foundries, TSMC seems to be the favorite with AMD's 3rd party chips.

Considering there are plenty of cheaper OEM PC non-UHD Blu-ray drives which have simply had a free firmware update to have UHD Blu-Ray support, I don't think cost is going to be a factor especially considering that Sony/Microsoft aren't buying these drives from retail either, with their own custom firmware for security purposes.

If you're a console gamer though, I don't see how having exclusives on the PC ruins the experience for you on console, I would think more gamers playing your favorite game and supporting the developer to continue the franchise was a good thing.

Let's hope Sunset Over Drive 2 happens one day, I rather enjoyed my stint.

You could be right.
It will be interesting to see the numbers by the end of it... Microsoft is flexing it's advertising muscles and pointing at Sony's lack of 4k Blu-ray currently, so I am intrigued.

"Mechanical Media" isn't holding back the CPU's.
We have a memory Hierachy for a reason, it hides bandwidth and latency deficits.
Everything needed gets loaded from the Hard Drive to the Ram, once the Ram is loaded up, the game will stream content from both the Ram and Hard Drive. - Some rare cases the Blu-Ray drive as well. - Developers will avoid Random reads/writes and stick with sequentual Read for a good 80Mb/s for the HDD.

From there the CPU loads data it needs for Processing into the L3/L2/L1 caches (Going from largest+Slowest to smallest+Fastest.)

The CPU will also "predict" the data it needs before it actually needs it, making sure it's available in it's caches.

So is it crippled? Hardly. This has worked well for the PC for decades, it allows for optimal price/performance/power consumption for a reason.

Having console manufacturers compete with the PC isn't a bad thing, in-fact it should be encouraged, competition is a wonderful thing.
It helps raise the graphics bar for everyone.

I think the Neo and Scorpio will force this console generation to be a little longer, the PC is likely not to be generationally more advanced for a long time to come at a cheap price, not untill 10/7nm fabrication gains steam, but with TSMC constantly delaying every node, that could be years away. (Hope not.)

They are going from 1.3TF to 6TF that is a huge and a gen jump unlike PS4 to PS4Pro. It will be intresting to see the price and the difference in visuals. By the time PS5 is released 4K will be more popular and probably main stream in 4yrs time

Kinda surprised to see the consoles close in the polls. Was expecting the PS4Pro to be way ahead.

Its a big jump in performance but MS's PR people have said it themselves, the console is designed for native 4K gaming. And I'm willing to bet that running in 4K all will take up all its resources.

Even when you lower the resolution (1080 or otherwise), will we developers utilize all that extra grunt to improve IQ? Supersampling etc and improved AA is nice but like what other people have critisized the PS4 Pro for.. Will that be enough to entice people to upgrade?

Its not a new generation. For that both console manufacturers will need to participate in a new console standard. And the jump will have to be considerably bigger.