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Hynad said:
RolStoppable said:

Bethesda has no plans to make NX games. Out of all the available cards, processing power will always be the most convenient to play because it allows to pretend genuine interest to develop games while at the same time it shifts the blame for the absence of games 100% to Nintendo. Be a jerk, but look like a saint.

Poor little Nintendo... Such victims. :'(

Stop being mean to Nintendo.



                            

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Stefan.De.Machtige said:
FloatingWaffles said:

This is what annoys me about Nintendo so much is how they always decide to go the path of underpowering their systems in order to try and have a lower price. In doing so they sacrifice third party support, and you can see how that won't always work out when you look at the Wii U, or likewise it could end up like the Wii. But still, this is an exact quote from Bethesda saying "Make it powerful enough to where we don't have to downgrade anything, and we'll consider supporting it" but then Nintendo will still think it will be fine if they underpower it or something. 

Nintend acts like there isn't an inbetween. You CAN have a powerful system and still keep it at a good price, just like when the PS4 launched at $399, but with Nintendo they act like it HAS to be one or the other.  Especially considering the PS4 and Xbox One are years old now, so getting at least to their hardware level should not cost nearly as much by now, I would assume at least. But if the rumors apparently the NX won't even be powerful enough as an Xbox One are true (which could be false, we'll have to see at the official reveal). That's such a joke honestly.  They're doing the same thing they did with the Wii U if that's the case.

Nintendo had plenty of powerfull console before the Wii and it didn' really help with the 3rd party games at all. That support just kept sliding like their sales.

I've said plenty of times before that even if Nintendo had the most powerful console out of all of them it still wouldn't get ALL third party game, but what annoys me about Nintendo's decisions is that if a third party developer DOES want to release on the NX or any Nintendo system, but sees it as too underpowered and they don't wanna have to downgrade a lot, THEN that is Nintendo's own fault and they have nobody to blame but themselves.

It's different when a publisher doesn't think there's an audience for their game on Nintendo's systems compared to when a developer wants to release on one of their systems but won't because of how much downgrades they would have to do, essentially making a different version of the game. 



BasilZero said:
Elder Scrolls Pixel Edition confirmed!

I would buy it tbh.



                
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Soundwave said:
onionberry said:

that's one hell of an assumption, even for a cynical person.

It's kinda like the fat girl who's convinced herself men are evil and no man will ever like her ... honey if you actually lost the 200 pounds you're overweight in and changed your wardrobe, your chances of finding a guy would increase 20 fold. 

Anyone who thinks the lack of power on the Wii and Wii U didn't impact third party support is lying to themselves. 

The Wii would've gotten pretty much every third party game that gen (yes, GTAIV, Final Fantasy XIII, BioShock, Resident Evil 5/6, Street Fighter IV, etc.), if it was powerful enough to actually run the same games, even at just at 480p (1/3 the resolution). 

The Wii U even with its crappy sales probably would still be getting some support if Nintendo had chosen a sensible GPU like a AMD 4850, which was available to them in 2010 and would be able to run most current games. 

The thing is, as a hardware maker, it's Nintendo's job to coax them to release games on their hardware, may it be financial persuasion, etc. If Nintendo paid Bethesda to release their game(s) on Wii U they would've have. 

At this point, it's not cost-effective nor do either want to take that risk with the other. It's a lose-lose situation for Nintendo.



RolStoppable said:

Guys, you are free to believe that Bethesda would bring their best to Nintendo if only the specs were right, but I am free to laugh at you. If a pro-Nintendo bias verifiably exists among certain third parties, then it isn't a stretch at all to say that anti-Nintendo bias exists as well.

What do you believe is behind this Bias other than hardware then. Is it the audience found on Nintendo's devices, is it the way Nintendo deals with third party companies?

Personally I think if Nintendo released a console with very close specs to it's competing consoles it would receive the vast majority of third party titles, but perhaps you are right.



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RolStoppable said:
Barkley said:

What do you believe is behind this Bias other than hardware then. Is it the audience found on Nintendo's devices, is it the way Nintendo deals with third party companies?

Personally I think if Nintendo released a console with very close specs to it's competing consoles it would receive the vast majority of third party titles, but perhaps you are right.

You could call it politics. What the major third party publishers demand is marketing support, plus their games getting bundled with the hardware. Either Nintendo joins the bidding wars or they'll be left out altogether. The reason why Nintendo will continue to refuse to obey is that it doesn't benefit their own business to pay for and advertise multiplatform games; if they cannot realistically expect a notable beneficial effect on their hardware sales, it simply does not make sense to pay for support.

Sony and Microsoft have the same motive (beneficial effect on hardware sales) when considering which games they'll pay for, but unlike Nintendo, these two companies have a long history of multiplatform third party software having a positive effect on their hardware sales, so it makes sense for them to do it. In Nintendo's sales history, it's first and foremost exclusive third party software that fulfills the requirements for investment, so that's what Nintendo primarily targets. Going exclusive, however, is something that is usually not up for consideration for the major third party publishers, so in the majority of cases such an option isn't on the table to begin with. EA shopping around a new IP like Titanfall is a rare exception.

The thing is, Nintendo existed before Sony and long before Microsoft. They obviously both took risks (albeit mostly financial) to gain that loyalty whereas Nintendo's history with third party may not be as great. Unfortunately, their stubbornness (who obviously passed onto their many loyal fans) and obviously now selfishness is now what causing them to hit a panic button. Why? Super Mario Run's existence proves this.

If what we know from Nintendo is that besides having to flow within normalcy along with their not-competitions, they like to test outrageous ideas instead. I'm willing to bet, if push comes to shove we'll see the end of their hardware/software-maker life, we'll see them off some crazy business organization, maybe even weed. Who knows?! Either way, their history shows this.



RolStoppable said:
lynksseus said:

The thing is, Nintendo existed before Sony and long before Microsoft. They obviously both took risks (albeit mostly financial) to gain that loyalty whereas Nintendo's history with third party may not be as great. Unfortunately, their stubbornness (who obviously passed onto their many loyal fans) and obviously now selfishness is now what causing them to hit a panic button. Why? Super Mario Run's existence proves this.

If what we know from Nintendo is that besides having to flow within normalcy along with their not-competitions, they like to test outrageous ideas instead. I'm willing to bet, if push comes to shove we'll see the end of their hardware/software-maker life, we'll see them off some crazy business organization, maybe even weed. Who knows?! Either way, their history shows this.

Super Mario Run is not hitting the panic button. It's a part of Nintendo's strategy to leverage smart devices to increase the popularity and sales of Nintendo hardware and premium software. Pokémon Go made the 3DS win July NPD; likewise, sales of 3DS hardware and various Nintendo titles increased all around the world. We already have the irrefutable evidence that Nintendo's strategy works. The best part of it is that Nintendo's new way to market their premium products will be paid for by consumers. While Sony and Microsoft are going to spend hundreds of millions on marketing, Nintendo's marketing will positively contribute to their bottom line.

Combine the above with Nintendo's cash reserves and it should be pretty obvious that Nintendo is nowhere close to seeing the end of their run as a hardware manufacturer. Whether or not they'll get the major third parties on board won't matter. If the five year old 3DS can beat the PS4 and Xbox One on the back of games that are two years old, then it's undeniable that nothing is as valuable as Nintendo first party software. NX will have first party software, so the games part is already covered.

Strategic is an interesting word. What I saw was Nintendo's crack in their hard shell after having vowed to never to see Mario in another platform other than Nintendo's. Either this is Nintendo's acceptance of the possibility of their demise as a hardware-maker or that they've soften philisophies with working third parties... just not the big named ones, I guess. Nintendo on Steam?

All in all though, I agree. It's a financially strategic move right now.



Would be cool if they made NX games.



Well he basically said if NX is not powerful like XB1 at least we are hardly making game for it. And all infos saying that NX is less powerful than XB1, so dont expect Bethesda games on NX.



I'm sure Bethesda tried getting games to Nintendo. But Nintendo QA was like "bloody hell, what is thid bugfest?!". While Sony and Microsoft just don't give a shit about buggy games (Master Chief Collection, Drive Club, No Man's Sky...) Nintendo actually does some QA. So they asked Bethesda very polite to fix the endless issues with whatever game they wanted to publish. But, we know Bethesda, don't we? They don't fix the bugs. Hell naw! The comunity always does this job, free of charge. Not possible on Nintendo systems. So in the end, no Bethesda bugfests on Nintendo, sorry. =/

Of course that's just speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if something like that actually happened. That said, I love Bethesda games.



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