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pbroy on 06 September 2016
tiffac said:
pbroy said:
He said, "Son of a bitch". Even me being a Filipino that has grown up in the US since the age of 4, can understand that with my limited Tagalog skills.

The thing is, in the Philippines, criminals don't learn. They always get caught again and keep taking up resources in order to enforce them. The country can not spend so much money in fighting crime.

My cousin is of high ranking in the police department in Manila. He tells me stories of crime in the country. How students would get killed for money and criminals getting released after short periods of being detained. They simply don't have room in prison for everyone. They end up having to release some of them. The ones that keep coming back, they end up killing.

Maybe Obama should bring some business there to help the country with poverty. Where there is poverty, there is crime. Help the country, not blast them with how they should run it.

This is actually true, we have almost 700,000 users and pushers who surrendered in the 2 months since this administration began and we don't have enough space on our overcrowded prisons and not enough rehab centers to help them.

So the police is giving them free Zumba lessons in open basketball courts or areas across the country as a temporary measure and hope they don't go back to pushing or doing drugs. :(

Fun times

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iron_megalith on 07 September 2016

After having some time to watch the whole clip. Holy fuck. Who the hell mangled the translations here? How did shit like this spread like wildfire?

Literally most media said he called Obama a son of a bitch.

If so his statement would be

"Putangina mo. Mumurahin kita sa forum na iyan"

"You son of a bitch. I will curse at you in that forum"

Where in his case he says

"Putangina. Mumurahin kita sa forum na iyan"

"Son of a bitch. I will curse at you in that forum"

 

Do we need basic english here to know that these two are different in context?


This is misinformation at its finest. Anyone who decently knows the language knows he didn't call Obama what they are implying. This god damn media misinformation and sensationalism got the best of the people here. LMAO.

He is also right in that matter that Obama/USA should not intervene in this matter. It's an internal affair that is only exclusive to the country. We have people already probing on it. So no need to step in and play big brother or some mediator when it's not internation issue in the first place. The fight on South China Sea is a different matter as it includes a lot of countries.

This is just a matter of Philippine government as a whole working on fixing this issue. 

LMAO. I hate this guy's mouth but he's correct on this matter.



LivingMetal on 07 September 2016
walterbates said:

Rodrigo Duterte further strains diplomatic ties with Washington as he warns US leader not to question him on extrajudicial killings


.....

That guy looks like a foreigner I saw that walked into Wal-mart.



iron_megalith on 07 September 2016
Hiku said:
iron_megalith said:

He is also right in that matter that Obama/USA should not intervene in this matter. It's an internal affair that is only exclusive to the country. We have people already probing on it. So no need to step in and play big brother or some mediator when it's not internation issue in the first place. The fight on South China Sea is a different matter as it includes a lot of countries.

This is just a matter of Philippine government as a whole working on fixing this issue. 

LMAO. I hate this guy's mouth but he's correct on this matter.

As long as the Philippines borders are open to tourists, it's not just an internal affair. And what is the punishment for wrongfully killing a person "suspected" of being a drug dealer or drug user? I haven't been able to find info on that. It doesn't seem like there's much deterring people from comitting these murders.

FYI there's a probation going on. I'm sick and tired of it since it takes up most of my feeds for weeks now.

If tourists are your concern then your country should send an advisory to people who want to go there. That doesn't really give you any right to put your feet in through that door, wag a finger, and play big boss. Duterte's answers are correct. He should only answer to the Filipino People and not to Obama's outside comments.

Also how are you aware of the statistics? It's funny when this trended, people from the outside are now saying things as if they know about the issue clearly. I don't like EJK but god dammit if people say this didn't happen back then on a regular basis. They're lying through their teeth. It's been there ever since the end of the Marcos "Dictator" era.  Even in the term of our "so called Benevolent mother of Democracy" President Cory Aquino, this happens a lot. Seriously, people need to get a clue about what the environment of the country is before they start talking smack.



Fei-Hung on 07 September 2016
iron_megalith said:
Hiku said:

As long as the Philippines borders are open to tourists, it's not just an internal affair. And what is the punishment for wrongfully killing a person "suspected" of being a drug dealer or drug user? I haven't been able to find info on that. It doesn't seem like there's much deterring people from comitting these murders.

FYI there's a probation going on. I'm sick and tired of it since it takes up most of my feeds for weeks now.

If tourists are your concern then your country should send an advisory to people who want to go there. That doesn't really give you any right to put your feet in through that door, wag a finger, and play big boss. Duterte's answers are correct. He should only answer to the Filipino People and not to Obama's outside comments.

It's classic western policing the world. Do add we say don't do as we do. 



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iron_megalith on 07 September 2016
Hiku said:
iron_megalith said:

FYI there's a probation going on. I'm sick and tired of it since it takes up most of my feeds for weeks now.

If tourists are your concern then your country should send an advisory to people who want to go there. That doesn't really give you any right to put your feet in through that door, wag a finger, and play big boss. Duterte's answers are correct. He should only answer to the Filipino People and not to Obama's outside comments.

Also how are you aware of the statistics? It's funny when this trended, people from the outside are now saying things as if they know about the issue clearly. I don't like EJK but god dammit if people say this didn't happen back then on a regular basis. They're lying through their teeth. It's been there ever since the end of the Marcos "Dictator" era.  Even in the term of our "so called Benevolent mother of Democracy" President Cory Aquino, this happens a lot. Seriously, people need to get a clue about what the environment of the country is before they start talking smack.

Your description is how dictators get away with human rights violations. When the only ones they need to answer to are the people, who are powerless or too afraid to speak up. This is the man who said that he wishes he could have raped Jacqueline Hamill first (an Australian missionary who was raped and killed in the city where he was mayor at the time), and he's running the law. Even saying that he will shut down and arrest legislators if they interfear with his plans.

You didn't seem to answer my question though. What happens if you wrongfully kill someone you suspect of using or selling drugs, but turns out that they actually weren't involved with drugs? As police, and as a civilian.
Let's say a woman asks someone for directions, and he starts to hit on her, but she turns him down and moves on. He gets angry and kills her, claiming that she asked him where to buy drugs. What would happen to this man?

And what statistic did I say I was aware of? If you mean that there doesn't seem to be much that deters people from comitting these murders, that's not a statistic, but based on things Duterte has said, such as how he would pardon police who were charged with human rights violations.
There's a good reason why excecutions tend to be left to law enforcement, and not to civilians on the streets.

 

Powerless? Did you think for a second how much power people have here? We're run by something worst than dictators. My people are sheeps and we danced to the ploy of Oligarchs in that remarkable show of democarcy called "Edsa Revolution". It was both a blessing and a curse. The dictator who was drunk with power was taken out at the same time the one who took over lead to multiple conflict of interests by bringing back what was taken from the Oligarchs due to their unjust monopolization. Making most of the commodities that otherwise should have been easily accessible and affordable for the general public a slow and painful death as time goes by.

I answered your question but you seem to think that I'm supporting the killings. I have been clear and stated that there is a probation going on and there have been multiple hearings and investigations. Big heads were being put in their place to answer to such.

What answer do you want me to give you except the obvious one. 

Please tell me you have an idea of the politcs there before you even start this discussion. You don't even have an idea of the statistics before hand and you start harangguing me with such questions trying to make it seem we have a valid equal argument here.

It still doesn't change my stance that I agree with Duterte on this one. That there is a process taking place and Obama or America has no God damn say about it regardless of their past assistance. He is a president of the Philippines who will answer to only the Filipino people.



SuaveSocialist on 07 September 2016

"In June, the UN secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, condemned Duterte’s apparent support for extrajudicial killings, saying they were “illegal and a breach of fundamental rights and freedoms”. Duterte replied by calling the UN “stupid” and threatening to withdraw the Philippines from the supranational body. Asked about the possible consequences of his comments, he said: “What is ... repercussions? I don’t give a shit to them.” "

Insight into what a Drumpf presidency would be like.



LadyJasmine on 07 September 2016

I dont see any difference between what the Philippine President does and what Obama does with drones.



WagnerPaiva on 07 September 2016

Why would a president say that about another?



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iron_megalith on 08 September 2016
Hiku said:
iron_megalith said:

Powerless? Did you think for a second how much power people have here? We're run by something worst than dictators. My people are sheeps and we danced to the ploy of Oligarchs in that remarkable show of democarcy called "Edsa Revolution". It was both a blessing and a curse. The dictator who was drunk with power was taken out at the same time the one who took over lead to multiple conflict of interests by bringing back what was taken from the Oligarchs due to their unjust monopolization. Making most of the commodities that otherwise should have been easily accessible and affordable for the general public a slow and painful death as time goes by.

I answered your question but you seem to think that I'm supporting the killings. I have been clear and stated that there is a probation going on and there have been multiple hearings and investigations. Big heads were being put in their place to answer to such.

What answer do you want me to give you except the obvious one. 

Please tell me you have an idea of the politcs there before you even start this discussion. You don't even have an idea of the statistics before hand and you start harangguing me with such questions trying to make it seem we have a valid equal argument here.

It still doesn't change my stance that I agree with Duterte on this one. That there is a process taking place and Obama or America has no God damn say about it regardless of their past assistance. He is a president of the Philippines who will answer to only the Filipino people.

Just saying "there is a probation going on" is not a clear answer when I don't know what kind of probation you are talking about or who it involves. Especially when you didn't specify what comment of mine you said that in reference of, if any.
After your remarks about knowledge on the subject I figured you would be able to enlighten us with a more detailed explanation than "there are probations".
But since there were hundreds of unsolved murders attributed to vigilante death squads under Duterte's time as mayor in Davao, I guess I shouldn't have expected a reasuring answer.
My girlfriend was on vacation in the Philippines some months ago. Everything went well, but it didn't occur to us to look up these kind of things in advance for a country that signed the decleration of human rights. I suppose that's a lesson learned for next time when deciding where to go.

I didn't say I didn't know of any statistics though. I said I didn't post any. I have read articles about numbers related to killings after he took office and comparisons to previous terms. I wasn't discussing that subject though. I was talking about the details surrounding the encouragment of sitizens comitting vigilante murders, and the problems that can arrise from them.
As for the power of the people, I'm not sure if by "taken out" you're refering to the assasination of Aquino, but many suspected that it was ordered by president Marco. Politicians often give people the illusion that they're more in charge of things than they really are, because it's difficult to regulate what goes on behind closed doors.

Well then let's stop this here. I don't see the point in trying to continue further with the discussion when I have to spell out every detail. Like I said, I'm sick of politics filling my feed. If you think it's not enough senate probing/investigation and CHR on every news with the media running this 24/7 for weeks or months then I don't know what you want. But clearly Obama nor America is not the answer here.

If that doesn't satisfy you then nothing will. If you're supporting what Obama/American government is doing by imposing authority on something the government is already trying to rectify then we won't agree on that. You can try and support Senator Delima and the CHR there. Most of the media are also into this with some times click baity material that comes off annoying. Much worse than CNN when they're trying to fill 24 hours with padded sensationlized "News".

Oh and regarding that Benigno Aquino Sr. and Ferdinand Marcos you brought up. That is still one of the biggest unsolved mystery. No one knew who killed him. I'm on the side where I give benefit of a doubt. There was absolutely no reason for him to assassinate Aquino ON THE SPOT due to the obvious uproar that it will bring.

Lastly Benigno Aquino Sr. is also leaning on the communistic side. And he is also married to Cory Cojuanco(aka President Cory Aquino) who by the way, belongs to a rich and powerful family who ordered the shooting of unarmed farmers when they tried to protest about the land that was supposed to be distributed by the Marcos regime. Check the Hacienda Luisita massacre.

After Cory Aquino was seated, most of the Cojuanco clan members took power of the rural areas and also took some key position in the government to protect their conflict of interests. Their actions lead to why the farmers protested in the Hacienda Luisita decades later.

See how colurful my country's history is? See how effecient our governemnt is? And this was almost 4 decades ago.

Anyway I'm done with this. There's so much I want to say but I don't want to ass myself just so I can barely explain the very nature of this complex and deep rooted corruption in our country. Nevertheless if you think it's unsafe I can't blame you. I also won't try to convince you otherwise.