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Forums - Gaming Discussion - MS - No generations 'eases the disruptive nature of moving to a new platform' - Will market Xbox One S aggressively

Soundwave on 29 August 2016
thismeintiel said:
Darc Requiem said:

A lack of generations prevents a clean break from the previous iteration of hardware. The strength of consoles had always been a unified platform that developers could maximize. In addition, it made it clear to consumers when software was compatible with a platform.

I don't see this change as a good thing. New hardware is going to be limited by software being required to run on older hardware. Which defeats the purpose of having improved hardware. Consoles are becoming too much like PCs and forgetting what made the console model a success.

This is just MS talking out their butt, really. Trying to make waves for "changing how we see consoles." But, Sony is the one who decides how the next gen starts, not MS. And trust me, if MS decides to stick around another gen, you can bet they'll release a XB2, and they sure as hell aren't going to demand devs to continue to support the Scorpio if they don't want to.

The max I see Sony doing that is different from their usual strategy is maybe having the PS5 also support the DS4.

Sony has already changed their strategy so that's in line with what MS is talking about ... PS4 Neo is a huge break from the past. 

Iterative hardware is here, probably for good. 



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pray4mojo on 29 August 2016

Yeah, because backwards compatibility isn't a thing. Sometimes I think Microsoft thinks we're all mentally challenged or something.



teigaga on 30 August 2016
thismeintiel said:
Darc Requiem said:

A lack of generations prevents a clean break from the previous iteration of hardware. The strength of consoles had always been a unified platform that developers could maximize. In addition, it made it clear to consumers when software was compatible with a platform.

I don't see this change as a good thing. New hardware is going to be limited by software being required to run on older hardware. Which defeats the purpose of having improved hardware. Consoles are becoming too much like PCs and forgetting what made the console model a success.

This is just MS talking out their butt, really. Trying to make waves for "changing how we see consoles." But, Sony is the one who decides how the next gen starts, not MS. And trust me, if MS decides to stick around another gen, you can bet they'll release a XB2, and they sure as hell aren't going to demand devs to continue to support the Scorpio if they don't want to.

The max I see Sony doing that is different from their usual strategy is maybe having the PS5 also support the DS4.

There is an aweful lot of wishful thinking going on amongst people. Many of the current nay sayers were the same who doubted the Neo would exist at all. If Microsoft is producing an entirely new system (New GPU/New CPU), best believe that it is the next iteration of the Xbox brand. They're not producing a bleeding edge 6TFLOP system only then drop support for it 4years down the line when they release the "X2" which won't be much more powerful (12TFLOP). Scorpio will definitely phase out the Xbox One down the road and for a handful of years will be forward compatible with whatever follows it up, just as Xbox One will be forward compatible with Scorpio til decades end.



WolfpackN64 on 30 August 2016

They can't throw away generations entirely. Eventually, developers will want to make games designed to run on newer hardware. As soon as the older Xbox One can't really handle new games anymore, the generation is over.



AsGryffynn on 31 August 2016
WolfpackN64 said:
They can't throw away generations entirely. Eventually, developers will want to make games designed to run on newer hardware. As soon as the older Xbox One can't really handle new games anymore, the generation is over.

The thing is, if they market the Scorpio as another iteration of the Xbox One and keep the theater going on for long enough, they will indeed look like the same machine (like with an original and Elite console model) and if the Scorpio is very powerful or upgradeable, then by the time the original XONE is phased out, the Scorpio will simply keep adding to the original's numbers. In other words, they will have merged to generations into a gigantic one, perhaps more if the upgrades are not a joke. After a while, once Sony releases the PS5, if the Scorpio has successfully kept up, by the time VGC displays "PS5" as a console on its front page, you will still see the good old Xbox One tag, probably racking up the figure of both the original XONE AND the Scorpio. 



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AsGryffynn on 31 August 2016
WolfpackN64 said:
They can't throw away generations entirely. Eventually, developers will want to make games designed to run on newer hardware. As soon as the older Xbox One can't really handle new games anymore, the generation is over.

The thing is, if they market the Scorpio as another iteration of the Xbox One and keep the theater going on for long enough, they will indeed look like the same machine (like with an original and Elite console model) and if the Scorpio is very powerful or upgradeable, then by the time the original XONE is phased out, the Scorpio will simply keep adding to the original's numbers. In other words, they will have merged to generations into a gigantic one, perhaps more if the upgrades are not a joke. After a while, once Sony releases the PS5, if the Scorpio has successfully kept up, by the time VGC displays "PS5" as a console on its front page, you will still see the good old Xbox One tag, probably racking up the figure of both the original XONE AND the Scorpio. 



Lawlight on 31 August 2016

And this will lead to issues like what's present on PC - games not running on all PCs.



AsGryffynn on 31 August 2016
Lawlight said:
And this will lead to issues like what's present on PC - games not running on all PCs.

I am honestly hoping MS understands the importance of an upgradeable console in the future and gives the Scorpio removable processor, GPU and RAM slots (with a plug and play system) so that people can simply buy the parts (probably sold by MS as accessories) and upgrade their system as games become more realistic. 



WolfpackN64 on 31 August 2016
AsGryffynn said:
WolfpackN64 said:
They can't throw away generations entirely. Eventually, developers will want to make games designed to run on newer hardware. As soon as the older Xbox One can't really handle new games anymore, the generation is over.

The thing is, if they market the Scorpio as another iteration of the Xbox One and keep the theater going on for long enough, they will indeed look like the same machine (like with an original and Elite console model) and if the Scorpio is very powerful or upgradeable, then by the time the original XONE is phased out, the Scorpio will simply keep adding to the original's numbers. In other words, they will have merged to generations into a gigantic one, perhaps more if the upgrades are not a joke. After a while, once Sony releases the PS5, if the Scorpio has successfully kept up, by the time VGC displays "PS5" as a console on its front page, you will still see the good old Xbox One tag, probably racking up the figure of both the original XONE AND the Scorpio. 

That will eventually be very confusing to costumers, when they'll have to read the back of an Xbox One game to see if their machine can even run the thing. At that point, the Xbox One is a gimped PC that can play games.



AsGryffynn on 31 August 2016
WolfpackN64 said:
AsGryffynn said:

The thing is, if they market the Scorpio as another iteration of the Xbox One and keep the theater going on for long enough, they will indeed look like the same machine (like with an original and Elite console model) and if the Scorpio is very powerful or upgradeable, then by the time the original XONE is phased out, the Scorpio will simply keep adding to the original's numbers. In other words, they will have merged to generations into a gigantic one, perhaps more if the upgrades are not a joke. After a while, once Sony releases the PS5, if the Scorpio has successfully kept up, by the time VGC displays "PS5" as a console on its front page, you will still see the good old Xbox One tag, probably racking up the figure of both the original XONE AND the Scorpio. 

That will eventually be very confusing to costumers, when they'll have to read the back of an Xbox One game to see if their machine can even run the thing. At that point, the Xbox One is a gimped PC that can play games.

Odds are the black band in games will now highlight their system requirements... 

Also, only the original...