Pemalite said:
Technology has changed.
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Interesting graph. My TV is 55 inches and I sit 3 feet away from it. Apparently that means a resolution of 8K is "enough" for me lol
| Soundwave said:
From what we know of the Pascal Tegra (X2) it's about 625 GFLOPS apparently with 50GB memory bandwidth ... that is pretty great for a mobile chip, but it's a good notch below even an XBox One. For NX potential buyers how would you prefer developers utilize the Tegra chip for "TV mode" ... 1.) Wii U level graphics at 1080p (cleaner, sharp image quality) or 2.) Closer to XB1/PS4 level graphics but 720p resolution (worse image quality but better graphical effects in general) Are Zelda: BoTW graphics at 1080P good enough for you or would you prefer a developer to lower the resolution and increase the visual detail? |
Well, it depends on the game. Usually 720p with better details should be preferable, but there are other games. An example: in Monster Hunter I would prefer a bigger resolution to more details, so I can make out objects and monsters on a greater distance.
| dangerguy said: Is this thread real? 4K is around the corner and 720p is acceptable for a future console? lol |
If you're expecing Neo/Scorpio to play AAA games at 4K, you're in for a disappointment.
| Fei-Hung said: Whether it does 1080 or 720, considering the specs will be underwhelming next to the X1 and PS4, minus no BR player and possibly very little HDD storage, what is the most people will be willing to pay for it? I'll find it hard to justify paying £250-300 if i can pick up a PS4S or X1S at that price. |
If NX does turn out to be the Tegra-powered hybrid system Eurogamer describes, $250 USD is the maximum acceptable price. Any more and it becomes an unattractive proposition in a market where you can get PS4/X1 with far more games and better graphics for $300.
curl-6 said:
If you're expecing Neo/Scorpio to play AAA games at 4K, you're in for a disappointment.
If NX does turn out to be the Tegra-powered hybrid system Eurogamer describes, $250 USD is the maximum acceptable price. Any more and it becomes an unattractive proposition in a market where you can get PS4/X1 with far more games and better graphics for $300. |
This is the same company that took a system that was $99 already for three years, moderately overclocked it and sold it for $250 with a different plastic controller when you could get an XBox 360 for $299.99.
My guess is $269.99. $100 more than the vanilla small 3DS for a full blown tablet device that can also double as a micro-console is fair.
This time I do think Nintendo will actually have a very good launch lineup and even a post-launch big title to ensure reasonable sales.
Nintendo can be dense, but after getting fucked up the rear end by both the 3DS and Wii U launches, I think they've finally learned their lesson.
I'll take either but realistically, it's going to be 720p if it's a handheld. Unless Nintendo struck a deal with a specific company that has made a stellar chip.
Soundwave said:
This is the same company that took a system that was $99 already for three years, moderately overclocked it and sold it for $250 with a different plastic controller when you could get an XBox 360 for $299.99. My guess is $269.99. $100 more than the vanilla small 3DS for a full blown tablet device that can also double as a micro-console is fair. This time I do think Nintendo will actually have a very good launch lineup and even a post-launch big title to ensure reasonable sales. Nintendo can be dense, but after getting fucked up the rear end by both the 3DS and Wii U launches, I think they've finally learned their lesson. |
That kind of lightning doesn't strike twice. The market today is vastly different than it was in 2006. If NX cannot offer competitive specs and software support to PS4/X1, then they need to make it significantly cheaper to compensate. They can't go head to head with MS/Sony in pricing, that's a red ocean and they're the smaller fish.
curl-6 said:
That kind of lightning doesn't strike twice. The market today is vastly different than it was in 2006. If NX cannot offer competitive specs and software support to PS4/X1, then they need to make it significantly cheaper to compensate. They can't go head to head with MS/Sony in pricing, that's a red ocean and they're the smaller fish. |
It's not going to have PS4/X1 level specs, there is no mobile chip on the planet capable of that. Tegra X2 is about as good as it gets, that's bleeding edge for mobile tech and that gets you 625 GFLOPS, even with the Nvidia/AMD disparity in FLOP-age (lol), that only brings you up to about 812 GFLOPS or so.
Not bad, probably good enough to have some PS4/X1 ports if the developer is willing to reduce some effects and keep the res at 720p while running off wall power.
$269.99 is still relatively cheap for a tablet ... an iPad Mini with only 16GB of storage costs a whopping $399.99 and doesn't play console games. If I'm a parent on a budget I know which one I'd rather get my kids if they asked for one or the other.
They aren't competing with Sony/MS, not unless Sony/MS have a gaming tablet, making the NX portable is basically Nintendo's way of getting out of that whole pissing match entirely. There is no PS4 vs. XBox One vs. NX.
Soundwave said:
It's not going to have PS4/X1 level specs, there is no mobile chip on the planet capable of that. Tegra X2 is about as good as it gets, that's bleeding edge for mobile tech and that gets you 625 GFLOPS, even with the Nvidia/AMD disparity in FLOP-age (lol), that only brings you up to about 812 GFLOPS or so. Not bad, probably good enough to have some PS4/X1 ports if the developer is willing to reduce some effects and keep the res at 720p. $269.99 is still relatively cheap for a tablet ... an iPad Mini with only 16GB of storage costs a whopping $399.99 and doesn't play console games. If I'm a parent on a budget I know which one I'd rather get my kids if they asked for one or the other. They aren't competing with Sony/MS, not unless Sony/MS have a gaming tablet, making the NX portable is basically Nintendo's way of getting out of that whole pissing match entirely. |
The only people who would buy such a system for close to the same price as a PS4/X1 are diehard Nintendo fanatics and the Japanese. Unless it has all of the additional functionality of a tablet, (which it won't) it won't be seen as a viable alternative to an iPad.
curl-6 said:
The only people who would buy such a system for close to the same price as a PS4/X1 are diehard Nintendo fanatics and the Japanese. Unless it has all of the additional functionality of a tablet, (which it won't) it won't be seen as a viable alternative to an iPad. |
Well Nikkei has been pretty much mostly correct every time they've reported something on Nintendo. They said Android apps on NX ... I think that's legit and gonna happen.
Not just for functionality sake but because there's money Nintendo can make from having their own eShop distribute Android apps. 30% cut of each app's revenue adds up. They'll use their own custom OS, but it'll be able to run Android apps after the app has been authorized by Nintendo, something like that.
Even today ... the 3DS XL, which is the 3DS model that's overwhelmingly the one people buy, is $200 ... you can get an XBox One with Quantum Break + Alan Wake + 500GB HDD right now for $50 more, lol.
I don't think you're getting a 7-8 inch HD display + 4-6GB RAM + cutting edge Tegra X2 SoC + the large 8000-10000 MaH battery that's going to have to be inside to power the thing for only $50 more than what a 3DS XL costs today. Just my guess though.
Soundwave said:
Well Nikkei has been pretty much mostly correct every time they've reported something on Nintendo. They said Android apps on NX ... I think that's legit and gonna happen. Not just for functionality sake but because there's money Nintendo can make from having their own eShop distribute Android apps. 30% cut of each app's revenue adds up. Even today ... the 3DS XL, which is the 3DS model that's overwhelmingly the one people buy, is $200 ... you can get an XBox One with Quantum Break + Alan Wake + 500GB HDD right now for $50 more, lol. |
I can't see Nintendo making a full-blown multimedia device that's competitive as a tablet, that's just not their style.
And $50 is a big enough gap to be a distinction, which is why if the baseline price for a PS4/Xbone in 2017 is $300, NX needs to be $250 or less.
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