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Soundwave said:

I still wonder if a Tegra X2 can match up with an older Nvidia mobile GPU ... like lets take the Nvidia 830M from 2014:

This is a laptop GPU, Nvidia 830M specs:

DDR3 RAM (64-bit memory bus), 14.4GB/sec

256 CUDA Cores, 16 TMUs, 8 ROPs

Maxwell Architecture, 28nm

554 GFLOPS floating point performance 

17.31 Gigatexels/second

8.66 Gpixels/second

Under 25 watts power usage

 

The Tegra X1/X2 (custom Nintendo chip?)

LPDDR4 RAM (128-bit memory bus?) 51GB/sec

256 CUDA Cores, 16 TMUs, 16 ROPs

Pascal Architecture (?), 16nm FinFET

625 GFLOPS floating point performance (Tegra X2 supposed performance)

16 Gigatexels/second (Tegra X1, X2 could be better)

16 Gpixels/second (Tegra X1, X2 might be better)

A Nvidia 830M is capable of running a lot of PS4/XB1 ports even at pretty decent resolutions ...

Batman Arkham Knight 1366x768 resolution; 30 frames per second (PS4/XB1 only title):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQxNpEaCsiw

Assassin's Creed Unity: 1360x768 resolution (PS4/XB1 only game):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oOa66_FIHM

Star Wars: Battlefront:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MG5d2N73U4

I mean in portable mode these games wouldn't really even have to run at this high of a resolution, 1024x600 or even 960x540 would be good enough for a little 6-inch display. I hope Nintendo really pushes this Nvidia tech, though I half suspect they'll just kinda settle for so so performance. 

I think it's possible Nvidia will change the 1:1 ratio of the TMU's and ROP's that's on the X1 for X2.



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I cant believe people are compaireing the Tegra X2 to a Nvidia 830M....

1) The tegra X2 should be faster... pc to console, architecture differences ect.
2) Saying that the 830m can play games acceptably.. when those videos are 1280x720p and low-medium settings (and stutter).

Thats not really setting the bar very high.

As a Nintendo fan, if I get a NX Im not sure Id buy any 3rd party games on it, if they run 720p + medium settings on NX, but 1080p + High settings on PS4.



Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

WWHD also has Gamecube geometry and runs at 30fps with drops below though.

Yes, but we talk about sharp graphic, and WW HD has most sharped graphic on Wii U.

It's not pushing a dazzling array of effects.

The Art Style infact tends to hide allot of the technical inadequecies that the hardware has forced on it.

JRPGfan said:


As a Nintendo fan, if I get a NX Im not sure Id buy any 3rd party games on it, if they run 720p + medium settings on NX, but 1080p + High settings on PS4.

That tends to be my line of thinking.

memoryman3 said:

There won't be any noticeable difference from Wii U if they go 720p. Most people have 1080p monitors anyways, and it offers a HUGE improvement in image quality over 720p upscaled, where a lot of detail/shading is blurred. Play a Wii game, then play it again on Dolphin. See the difference resolution makes? 

720p upscaled to 1080p

 

Native 1080p

 

Upscalers today are far far far better than what is inside the Wii and Wii U and will also enhance the image in various ways, don't assume that past hardware is some kind of representation of newer hardware.



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JRPGfan said:

I cant believe people are compaireing the Tegra X2 to a Nvidia 830M....

1) The tegra X2 should be faster... pc to console, architecture differences ect.
2) Saying that the 830m can play games acceptably.. when those videos are 1280x720p and low-medium settings (and stutter).

Thats not really setting the bar very high.

As a Nintendo fan, if I get a NX Im not sure Id buy any 3rd party games on it, if they run 720p + medium settings on NX, but 1080p + High settings on PS4.

For a tablet sized system, 830M visuals would be fine by me. Actually many of the games run at 1366x768, which is not a huge difference, but still technically more pixels to render. Since NX is likely only going to have a 6-7 inch display they could go even lower than that. 

But Nintendo could make some gorgeous games of their own on a chip like that and PS4 ports would be possible even on the go which would be fairly significant. 

There definitely would be some third party games I'd consider buying on the NX over the PS4 if they were in the same ball park ... EA's FIFA or NHL games for sure. Have wanted portable versions of the "real" FIFA and NHL games to play on the go for ages. Would be awesome to be able to play something like that on an 8 hour flight. Or Dragon Quest XI or Final Fantasy VII or Soul Calibur VI, I'd honestly have to think about it. 

For "home mode" they should sell a SCD dock with extra processing power that allows games to run in medium/medium high settings and 1080P when at home. If they did that I'd buy the NX version basically every time because why should I buy the PS4/XB1 versions that I can only play at home, when the NX version plays where ever I want and can then play at home with similar graphics on my TV. 

I think design wise that would be the best compromise. Too bad Nintendo is probably too dense to realize this though. 



shikamaru317 said:
I much prefer 720p with better quality graphics over 1080p.

Same, I can't really tell the difference between 1080 and 720 by sitting a few feet away from the TV. Also, i put gameplay and story over graphics. To this day i have more fun playing old gen games like final fantasy X than newer rpgs.



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JRPGfan said:

if I get a NX Im not sure Id buy any 3rd party games on it, if they run 720p + medium settings on NX, but 1080p + High settings on PS4.

I bought COD MW/W@W/BO/MW3 on Wii, and those ran at 480p and settings lower than PC's lowest. XD

Honestly, I'm not expecting NX to get any substantial Western third party support. And frankly, that doesn't really bother me. What bothers me is whether it'll be another generation of droughts, delays, and unambitious software on Nintendo's end.



curl-6 said:

I bought COD MW/W@W/BO/MW3 on Wii, and those ran at 480p and settings lower than PC's lowest. XD

Honestly, I'm not expecting NX to get any substantial Western third party support. And frankly, that doesn't really bother me. What bothers me is whether it'll be another generation of droughts, delays, and unambitious software on Nintendo's end.

I thought the Wii U was cool. I bought one not too long after launch and...

Wait...

This isn't about Nuts & Bolts. Nevermind then.



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I'd prefer 4K resolution @ 12fps



To give the OP a frame of reference, here's what Wii U can do at 1080p/60fps:

 

And here's what it can do at 720p/60fps:

Note how the lower screen resolution allows the latter far more rendering budget for shaders and effects.



curl-6 said:

To give the OP a frame of reference, here's what Wii U can do at 1080p/60fps:

 

And here's what it can do at 720p/60fps:

Note how the lower screen resolution allows the latter far more rendering budget for shaders and effects.

If the NX is powerful enough, we would be seeing fidelity that exceeds the bottom screen at 1080p