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bunchanumbers said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

everytime nvidia speaks it makes eurogamers nvidia rumor less likely imo o.o

Pretty much this. I think that people are clinging to the Nvidia rumor when its looking more and more likely that its not happening. Maybe one day we'll finally get word from Nintendo, but the way things are looking, Nvidia has nothing to do with NX.

Like I wrote, Nvidia relly can't say anything that will disproves eurogamers infos, maybe only if they say loud and clear, we dont have any involvement with Nintendo hardware. :)



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Soundwave said:
JWeinCom said:

The person who wants a 50 dollar chinese tablet will just buy that.  And between the chinese knock offs and ipads, there is a wide range.  Samsung tablets are under 200 already.  Fire tablets are 50.  They can already connect to your TV, and that technology is going to get better as time goes on.  That's not to mention that there are already plenty of hand me down tablets, ipods, and so on.  Plus, they'll be getting phones between 9 and 13, which leaves Nintendo an incredibly narrow window.  There's no reason for this product to exist if it's just going to do what other products already do... and I don't think that's Nintendo's strategy.

Trying to attack the mobile market head on would probably be the worst thing Nintendo could do, and it would be against their general strategy.  Nintendo tends to favor blue ocean strategy, and the tablet market is the reddest ocean you can find.  If Nintendo wants to compete directly with other companies, they're far better off competing with Sony and Microsoft.  That's not the best idea either, but it's way better than going against Apple, Samsung, and about 50 other companies in a market that Nintendo has little experience in.

Well to be fair there isn't really a tablet that plays "real" games. I can see a lot of 7-15 year old boys choosing this over vanilla Android tablet and parents being relatively happy because at least it was $100-$150 cheaper than that damn iPad. 

I think Nintendo just cannot let the kids market go, it always has been their bread and butter, they have to go after it with NX. 

Nintendo doesn't have the horses to go after Sony/MS. As I noted in my GoldenEye thread ... that game is 19 (19!!!!) years old in a few minutes time. That was the last time Nintendo really ever had a huge hit game that resonated with even the Playstation (and what would become the XBox) crowd. In 19 years they really have not, even on the Wii had a hit game on any of their systems aimed specifically at that Playstation crowd that sold like 3/4/5/6/7 million copies the way GoldenEye did. 19 years, I'd bet half the posters on this board weren't even born when that game came out. That's how far Nintendo is out of touch. 

That and the loss of Minoru Arakawa and Howard Lincoln was devastating to their Western outreach, they've never, ever been the same company after that. They've become a very Japan-centric company and have been for like 15 years now. You would need to have new leadership that actually knows what its doing with the Playstation/XBox crowd in the West and Nintendo simply does not have that. Reggie is just a glorified PR person, nothing more.  

Without any real leadership or vision, it doesn't really even matter what hardware you have ... the GameCube had great hardware and core gamers avoided it like the plague. 

Yes after GoldenEye there is not much to talk about when comes to games that apealled to the same demographic.

From all the things I've heard it seems Nintendo stopped making those type of games delibrately, not sure about the reasons but I'm sure Miyamoto is one of the people who pushed for this.

And yes Nintendo don't really care about what the western audience wants. If they did they would be making there own FPS shooter to take on the likes of BF and CoD wether you like those games or not they sell.

Edit: and the missing sports games from EA and 2K doesn't help



Werix357 said:
bigtakilla said:

Maybe to avoid possible leaks they waited till the last minute, I mean in the same rumor that started all this it's plainly stated the dev kits have the X1 chip anyways, which completely counters your point.

True, but it sounds like the X1 in devkits were/are a stop gap till the final build otherwise like i said they would have had them out early last year.

Soundwave said:
Dev kits did ship last did they not? The WSJ report is from October of last year. It's possible Nintendo was using some type of different chip at that time and the Tegra X1 was only put into more modern kits, looks like that's going to be replaced by a Pascal Tegra in the last round of kits.

Yeah I read that about the devkits being out last year but there was a Japanese game dev (i forgot her name Tachi-somthing i think) here that contacted a few of her friends that are in the business and nothing to be found.

Well this just sounds like sorry ass planning on Nintendo's part. Seems more like a "whoops, we forgot to send out the dev kits" if the dev kits use them anyways. They could have been a stop gap a year ago.



bigtakilla said:
Werix357 said:

True, but it sounds like the X1 in devkits were/are a stop gap till the final build otherwise like i said they would have had them out early last year.

Yeah I read that about the devkits being out last year but there was a Japanese game dev (i forgot her name Tachi-somthing i think) here that contacted a few of her friends that are in the business and nothing to be found.

Well this just sounds like sorry ass planning on Nintendo's part. Seems more like a "whoops, we forgot to send out the dev kits" if the dev kits use them anyways. They could have been a stop gap a year ago.

I personally think te NX was meant come out late next year but Nintendo pushed the release forward because of poor Wii U sales and stagnating 3DS sales



Werix357 said:
bigtakilla said:

Well this just sounds like sorry ass planning on Nintendo's part. Seems more like a "whoops, we forgot to send out the dev kits" if the dev kits use them anyways. They could have been a stop gap a year ago.

I personally think te NX was meant come out late next year but Nintendo pushed the release forward because of poor Wii U sales and stagnating 3DS sales

Fair enough, but a lot of people also think it was pushed back from holiday this year, making it even worse. 

Heck, they could still always push it back.



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PwerlvlAmy said:
zorg1000 said:

you still haven't really explained why you don't think there is any potential for such an approach or why you think 3rd parties won't support it.

the discussion is kinda going like this

"I don't think it will do well"

"Why not?"

"because i dont think it will do well"

Thats not a real reason im not trying to be rude, just curious why you feel so strongly that it wont do well.

I've explained it many times. As I've told you. Go to my profile and check my post history and yes you are trying to be rude lol

you're the only one thats getting up in arms about me xD

I did check your post history, and you have been in 2 NX discussions in the last 3 months (both of which from just the last couple days).

In neither of the 2 threads have you actually explained anything, you started out by saying it will fail because 3rd parties wont support an underpowered device.

It was then brought to your attention that this is not only the Wii U successor, but also the 3DS successor, which is by farrrrrr the most underpowered system on the market and gets decent support so power alone does not determine support.

You havent countered that with anything, all of your responses since that point have been things like, "well  it doesnt personally appeal to me" or "i dont see it happening" or "hopefully they make a believer out of me".

Thats what i mean by you havent explained anything, your initial post had reasons but they were countered by showing how being underpowered does not in and of itself amount to poor sales or poor 3rd party support.

It may come off like im being hostile but i promise thats not my intention, im just trying to have a discussion and when someone has a strong opinion on something, like saying "it WILL fail", they are kinda expected to have reasons for thinking that way.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

JWeinCom said:
zorg1000 said:

I think you and many others are thinking about this device in the wrong way.

The primary purpose is to allow for a single device to get the combined the support of Nintendo's handhelds & consoles.

This device will likely get strong 3rd party support, just that it will primarily consist of Japanese, indie & family friendly games.

Anybody who honestly thought Nintendo was going to actively push for a device so that it could get things like Grand Theft Auto, Elder Scrolls, etc. had unrealistic expectations.

No, I'm thinking it in exactly the right way.  A system that will have Nintendo games and not much else. 

I'm not sure why you'd expect the system to have strong third party support.  Japanese support for the Wii U is nonexistant, and I'd hesitate to say the 3DS has strong third party support.  The biggest supporters have been Capcom and Squeenix, but even that has involved heavy promotion from Nintendo, which went as far as publishing certain games (Bravely 1/2 and Monster Hunters) in certain regions.  The third party support isn't bad, but it's not great either.

As for Nintendo pushing for a device that could get third party support, I don't think that's unreasonable at all.  The XBox One and PS4 weren't even cutting edge when they came out three years ago.  By now, it should be trivially easy to match them.

This kind of reminds me of the XBox One launch with its focus on multimedia.  Those features made a lot of sense for Microsoft to be excited about, but they weren't what gamers wanted or needed.  Same here.  It definitely makes sense for Nintendo to want to have a unified system, but the benefits for gamers aren't quite there. 

A simple question.  Outside of the existing base of 3DS and Wii U owners (probably around 60-65 million) who exactly is this going to appeal to?  How is this going to bring in new players?  As a fan of Nintendo games, I'll buy the product, and I'll probably love it.   As a fan of Nintendo as a company, who wants them to stay in the dedicated hardware industry, I hate it.  Of course, that's all assuming the rumors are true.

Like I said, the support will likely come from a combination of Japanese, indie & family friendly titles which are all 3 categories that Nintendo gets solid support from. Basic western support similar to what Wii U had initially would certainly be welcome and would give NX a pretty well rounded library.

Its not that Nintendo cant release a powerful device with the intention of getting PS4/XB1 ports, its that they wont and shouldnt. Why would people buy a device released in the middle of the generation to play games that are on devices they already own? They wont and it will then be Nintendo games that are the only major differentiator.......so basically Wii U, a device late to the party designed to get ports with a few big exclusives each year.

There are certainly many benefits for gamers by going with a unified system. One of which is being able to play all your games on a single device instead of having to buy 2 seperate devices to get full access to the Nintendo ecosystem.

For example, lets say someone is interested in Fire Emblem, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Monster Hunter, Splatoon, Mario Maker, Bayonetta & Xenoblade X. That person would need to spend $500 in hardware to play those 8 games and would have to own 2 seperate devices and they couldnt play half those games on the go or the other half on the TV. They may pass on getting either device, but if they had the option to buy a single $250 device that played all 8 of those games on the TV or on the go, wouldnt they be more likely to go with that option? I certainly think so.

Another reason is that Nintendo can cut down on redundant titles which opens them up to resurrecting older franchises and making new IP, giving them the potential to diversify their library and a more diverse library means the potential to get new players.



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bigtakilla said:
Werix357 said:

I personally think te NX was meant come out late next year but Nintendo pushed the release forward because of poor Wii U sales and stagnating 3DS sales

Fair enough, but a lot of people also think it was pushed back from holiday this year, making it even worse. 

Heck, they could still always push it back.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if that happened



WiiU-Dude said:
malistix1985 said:
If the NX is powered by this and not the old one they deffenitely have my attention.

I love Nintendo. They have my money regardless, BUT if all this is true my interests has been intensely piqued!! I think with Nvidia onboard and Nvidia cancelling a supposed gaming device in lieu of the NX that Nvidia has MUCH MUCH more vested interest in the success of the NX. Subsidizing the cost of the hardware for some cut of profit wouldn't be far fetched. AMD has provided so much of the GPU of so many consoles, I think Nvidia is much more deeply involved than we realize. I think the NX is going to surprise.

I hope you are right... I never liked anything about the Wii, hated the tablet controller on the Wii-U and disliked the 3d option on the 3DS, even tough I've owned nearly every console released by Nintendo since 1985, After the Gamecube (and DS for handhelds) they have really lost me as a "hardcore" fan. I am always looking at Nintendo but buying their consoles is something that is deffenitely not a sure thing anymore, since I've mostly migrated to PC these days.

The NX would need to have 3th party support, preferably be in the x86 architecture type and have a large storage capability to download games instead of physical copies, and some more things, I just want something that feels like its made for the future :)

Anyway, long rant, but I cannot wait till we see the console and I do hope they spare no money in making that fast-streamlined gaming experience with good third party support and online experience!




Twitter @CyberMalistix

Werix357 said:
Soundwave said:

Well to be fair there isn't really a tablet that plays "real" games. I can see a lot of 7-15 year old boys choosing this over vanilla Android tablet and parents being relatively happy because at least it was $100-$150 cheaper than that damn iPad. 

I think Nintendo just cannot let the kids market go, it always has been their bread and butter, they have to go after it with NX. 

Nintendo doesn't have the horses to go after Sony/MS. As I noted in my GoldenEye thread ... that game is 19 (19!!!!) years old in a few minutes time. That was the last time Nintendo really ever had a huge hit game that resonated with even the Playstation (and what would become the XBox) crowd. In 19 years they really have not, even on the Wii had a hit game on any of their systems aimed specifically at that Playstation crowd that sold like 3/4/5/6/7 million copies the way GoldenEye did. 19 years, I'd bet half the posters on this board weren't even born when that game came out. That's how far Nintendo is out of touch. 

That and the loss of Minoru Arakawa and Howard Lincoln was devastating to their Western outreach, they've never, ever been the same company after that. They've become a very Japan-centric company and have been for like 15 years now. You would need to have new leadership that actually knows what its doing with the Playstation/XBox crowd in the West and Nintendo simply does not have that. Reggie is just a glorified PR person, nothing more.  

Without any real leadership or vision, it doesn't really even matter what hardware you have ... the GameCube had great hardware and core gamers avoided it like the plague. 

Yes after GoldenEye there is not much to talk about when comes to games that apealled to the same demographic.

From all the things I've heard it seems Nintendo stopped making those type of games delibrately, not sure about the reasons but I'm sure Miyamoto is one of the people who pushed for this.

And yes Nintendo don't really care about what the western audience wants. If they did they would be making there own FPS shooter to take on the likes of BF and CoD wether you like those games or not they sell.

Edit: and the missing sports games from EA and 2K doesn't help

People really underestimate Howard Lincoln's contributions to Nintendo in particular. 

When EA said they wouldn't support the N64, he went personally to EA, set up a meeting and after that EA agreed to support the N64. Does Nintendo have anyone like that today? Nope. 

NOA successfully negotiated the rights for Star Wars exclusive games in the 90s, which was huge, Star Wars at that time was probably even bigger than it is now. 

Things like Kobe Bryant and Ken Griffey Jr. NBA and MLB games all under NOA, hell in the 90s Nintendo had DMA Design (the future developers of Grand Theft Auto III) as a 2nd party partner. I think Miyamoto did not like GTA3 so it was not allowed on the N64.