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zorg1000 said:
JWeinCom said:
Unless there is some absolutely amazing controller, or the base increases the power of this thing, then this is downright suicidal.

Nintendo's handheld audience doesn't really seem to care that much about power. When you look at the biggest handheld and mobile successes, graphics have played little to no role in the success.

For the console market, this thing is going to get basically zero third party support. Coming off the failure of the Wii U, considering the relative install bases, and considering historical performance of third party games on the NX, it's hard to make a good case for third party development.

What we have is a Wii U, except the gamepad can come with you. And while that's kind of neat, it's nowhere near enough to overcome the Wii U's many flaws.

Which is why I don't really believe in these rumors. It just seems too stupid to be true. It's possible that the rumors are partly true, or are missing some details that would make it make sense. As it is though, the picture they paint is simply awful. It's somewhat disconcerting that anyone is defending them.

I think you and many others are thinking about this device in the wrong way.

The primary purpose is to allow for a single device to get the combined the support of Nintendo's handhelds & consoles.

This device will likely get strong 3rd party support, just that it will primarily consist of Japanese, indie & family friendly games.

Anybody who honestly thought Nintendo was going to actively push for a device so that it could get things like Grand Theft Auto, Elder Scrolls, etc. had unrealistic expectations.

No, I'm thinking it in exactly the right way.  A system that will have Nintendo games and not much else. 

I'm not sure why you'd expect the system to have strong third party support.  Japanese support for the Wii U is nonexistant, and I'd hesitate to say the 3DS has strong third party support.  The biggest supporters have been Capcom and Squeenix, but even that has involved heavy promotion from Nintendo, which went as far as publishing certain games (Bravely 1/2 and Monster Hunters) in certain regions.  The third party support isn't bad, but it's not great either.

As for Nintendo pushing for a device that could get third party support, I don't think that's unreasonable at all.  The XBox One and PS4 weren't even cutting edge when they came out three years ago.  By now, it should be trivially easy to match them.

This kind of reminds me of the XBox One launch with its focus on multimedia.  Those features made a lot of sense for Microsoft to be excited about, but they weren't what gamers wanted or needed.  Same here.  It definitely makes sense for Nintendo to want to have a unified system, but the benefits for gamers aren't quite there. 

A simple question.  Outside of the existing base of 3DS and Wii U owners (probably around 60-65 million) who exactly is this going to appeal to?  How is this going to bring in new players?  As a fan of Nintendo games, I'll buy the product, and I'll probably love it.   As a fan of Nintendo as a company, who wants them to stay in the dedicated hardware industry, I hate it.  Of course, that's all assuming the rumors are true.



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JWeinCom said:
zorg1000 said:

I think you and many others are thinking about this device in the wrong way.

The primary purpose is to allow for a single device to get the combined the support of Nintendo's handhelds & consoles.

This device will likely get strong 3rd party support, just that it will primarily consist of Japanese, indie & family friendly games.

Anybody who honestly thought Nintendo was going to actively push for a device so that it could get things like Grand Theft Auto, Elder Scrolls, etc. had unrealistic expectations.

No, I'm thinking it in exactly the right way.  A system that will have Nintendo games and not much else. 

I'm not sure why you'd expect the system to have strong third party support.  Japanese support for the Wii U is nonexistant, and I'd hesitate to say the 3DS has strong third party support.  The biggest supporters have been Capcom and Squeenix, but even that has involved heavy promotion from Nintendo, which went as far as publishing certain games (Bravely 1/2 and Monster Hunters) in certain regions.  The third party support isn't bad, but it's not great either.

As for Nintendo pushing for a device that could get third party support, I don't think that's unreasonable at all.  The XBox One and PS4 weren't even cutting edge when they came out three years ago.  By now, it should be trivially easy to match them.

This kind of reminds me of the XBox One launch with its focus on multimedia.  Those features made a lot of sense for Microsoft to be excited about, but they weren't what gamers wanted or needed.  Same here.  It definitely makes sense for Nintendo to want to have a unified system, but the benefits for gamers aren't quite there. 

A simple question.  Outside of the existing base of 3DS and Wii U owners (probably around 60-65 million) who exactly is this going to appeal to?  How is this going to bring in new players?  As a fan of Nintendo games, I'll buy the product, and I'll probably love it.   As a fan of Nintendo as a company, who wants them to stay in the dedicated hardware industry, I hate it.  Of course, that's all assuming the rumors are true.

In a word: kids. 

Remember you were a kid once too, I imagine you probably had a Nintendo system or two (or three). 

Kids today don't. That's Nintendo's main conundrum, that more than any other issue is what keeps them awake at night I think. 

They need to get at least some of the kids playing on tablets to come back. How are they going to do that? I think they have to embrace and allow Android games and apps onto the NX. It's a gaming tablet, full stop, and since Nintendo doesn't need to profit on the hardware, they can undercut many tablet manufacturers. 

If you're a parent would you rather spend $269.99 on that NX that comes with 2 Amiibo toys, or the $399.99 iPad Mini 16GB? One is a hell of a lot cheaper and even doubles as a home game console, Nintendo won't slow Apple but there are plenty of cheap-o Chinese tablet makers they can take sales away from. 

Mind you, I don't know if Nintendo will be successful in this gamble, but I think that is basically their thinking. 



zorg1000 said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
yeah we'll see if they make a believer out of me at the end of the day,hopefully they do

you still haven't really explained why you don't think there is any potential for such an approach or why you think 3rd parties won't support it.

the discussion is kinda going like this

"I don't think it will do well"

"Why not?"

"because i dont think it will do well"

Thats not a real reason im not trying to be rude, just curious why you feel so strongly that it wont do well.

I've explained it many times. As I've told you. Go to my profile and check my post history and yes you are trying to be rude lol

you're the only one thats getting up in arms about me xD



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malistix1985 said:
If the NX is powered by this and not the old one they deffenitely have my attention.

I love Nintendo. They have my money regardless, BUT if all this is true my interests has been intensely piqued!! I think with Nvidia onboard and Nvidia cancelling a supposed gaming device in lieu of the NX that Nvidia has MUCH MUCH more vested interest in the success of the NX. Subsidizing the cost of the hardware for some cut of profit wouldn't be far fetched. AMD has provided so much of the GPU of so many consoles, I think Nvidia is much more deeply involved than we realize. I think the NX is going to surprise.



Soundwave said:
JWeinCom said:

No, I'm thinking it in exactly the right way.  A system that will have Nintendo games and not much else. 

I'm not sure why you'd expect the system to have strong third party support.  Japanese support for the Wii U is nonexistant, and I'd hesitate to say the 3DS has strong third party support.  The biggest supporters have been Capcom and Squeenix, but even that has involved heavy promotion from Nintendo, which went as far as publishing certain games (Bravely 1/2 and Monster Hunters) in certain regions.  The third party support isn't bad, but it's not great either.

As for Nintendo pushing for a device that could get third party support, I don't think that's unreasonable at all.  The XBox One and PS4 weren't even cutting edge when they came out three years ago.  By now, it should be trivially easy to match them.

This kind of reminds me of the XBox One launch with its focus on multimedia.  Those features made a lot of sense for Microsoft to be excited about, but they weren't what gamers wanted or needed.  Same here.  It definitely makes sense for Nintendo to want to have a unified system, but the benefits for gamers aren't quite there. 

A simple question.  Outside of the existing base of 3DS and Wii U owners (probably around 60-65 million) who exactly is this going to appeal to?  How is this going to bring in new players?  As a fan of Nintendo games, I'll buy the product, and I'll probably love it.   As a fan of Nintendo as a company, who wants them to stay in the dedicated hardware industry, I hate it.  Of course, that's all assuming the rumors are true.

In a word: kids. 

Remember you were a kid once too, I imagine you probably had a Nintendo system or two (or three). 

Kids today don't. That's Nintendo's main conundrum, that more than any other issue is what keeps them awake at night I think. 

They need to get at least some of the kids playing on tablets to come back. How are they going to do that? I think they have to embrace and allow Android games and apps onto the NX. It's a gaming tablet, full stop, and since Nintendo doesn't need to profit on the hardware, they can undercut many tablet manufacturers. 

If you're a parent would you rather spend $269.99 on that NX that comes with 2 Amiibo toys, or the $399.99 iPad Mini 16GB? One is a hell of a lot cheaper and even doubles as a home game console, Nintendo won't slow Apple but there are plenty of cheap-o Chinese tablet makers they can take sales away from. 

Mind you, I don't know if Nintendo will be successful in this gamble, but I think that is basically their thinking. 

The person who wants a 50 dollar chinese tablet will just buy that.  And between the chinese knock offs and ipads, there is a wide range.  Samsung tablets are under 200 already.  Fire tablets are 50.  They can already connect to your TV, and that technology is going to get better as time goes on.  That's not to mention that there are already plenty of hand me down tablets, ipods, and so on.  Plus, they'll be getting phones between 9 and 13, which leaves Nintendo an incredibly narrow window.  There's no reason for this product to exist if it's just going to do what other products already do... and I don't think that's Nintendo's strategy.

Trying to attack the mobile market head on would probably be the worst thing Nintendo could do, and it would be against their general strategy.  Nintendo tends to favor blue ocean strategy, and the tablet market is the reddest ocean you can find.  If Nintendo wants to compete directly with other companies, they're far better off competing with Sony and Microsoft.  That's not the best idea either, but it's way better than going against Apple, Samsung, and about 50 other companies in a market that Nintendo has little experience in.



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PwerlvlAmy said:
Soundwave said:

The Parker has two Pascal Tegra chips on it (aka the Tegra X2), so that's why people are keying on it. 

It looks like Tegra X2 isn't a huge performance boost over X1, but there likely are decent energy savings, architecture improvements, and the big difference is Tegra X2/Pascal can have 50GB/sec of memory bandwidth on a 128-bit bus, whereas Tegra X1 only can do half that. 

Memory bandwidth is key for gaming. 

everytime nvidia speaks it makes eurogamers nvidia rumor less likely imo o.o

Pretty much this. I think that people are clinging to the Nvidia rumor when its looking more and more likely that its not happening. Maybe one day we'll finally get word from Nintendo, but the way things are looking, Nvidia has nothing to do with NX.



JWeinCom said:
Soundwave said:

In a word: kids. 

Remember you were a kid once too, I imagine you probably had a Nintendo system or two (or three). 

Kids today don't. That's Nintendo's main conundrum, that more than any other issue is what keeps them awake at night I think. 

They need to get at least some of the kids playing on tablets to come back. How are they going to do that? I think they have to embrace and allow Android games and apps onto the NX. It's a gaming tablet, full stop, and since Nintendo doesn't need to profit on the hardware, they can undercut many tablet manufacturers. 

If you're a parent would you rather spend $269.99 on that NX that comes with 2 Amiibo toys, or the $399.99 iPad Mini 16GB? One is a hell of a lot cheaper and even doubles as a home game console, Nintendo won't slow Apple but there are plenty of cheap-o Chinese tablet makers they can take sales away from. 

Mind you, I don't know if Nintendo will be successful in this gamble, but I think that is basically their thinking. 

The person who wants a 50 dollar chinese tablet will just buy that.  And between the chinese knock offs and ipads, there is a wide range.  Samsung tablets are under 200 already.  Fire tablets are 50.  They can already connect to your TV, and that technology is going to get better as time goes on.  That's not to mention that there are already plenty of hand me down tablets, ipods, and so on.  Plus, they'll be getting phones between 9 and 13, which leaves Nintendo an incredibly narrow window.  There's no reason for this product to exist if it's just going to do what other products already do... and I don't think that's Nintendo's strategy.

Trying to attack the mobile market head on would probably be the worst thing Nintendo could do, and it would be against their general strategy.  Nintendo tends to favor blue ocean strategy, and the tablet market is the reddest ocean you can find.  If Nintendo wants to compete directly with other companies, they're far better off competing with Sony and Microsoft.  That's not the best idea either, but it's way better than going against Apple, Samsung, and about 50 other companies in a market that Nintendo has little experience in.

Well to be fair there isn't really a tablet that plays "real" games. I can see a lot of 7-15 year old boys choosing this over vanilla Android tablet and parents being relatively happy because at least it was $100-$150 cheaper than that damn iPad. 

I think Nintendo just cannot let the kids market go, it always has been their bread and butter, they have to go after it with NX. 

Nintendo doesn't have the horses to go after Sony/MS. As I noted in my GoldenEye thread ... that game is 19 (19!!!!) years old in a few minutes time. That was the last time Nintendo really ever had a huge hit game that resonated with even the Playstation (and what would become the XBox) crowd. In 19 years they really have not, even on the Wii had a hit game on any of their systems aimed specifically at that Playstation crowd that sold like 3/4/5/6/7 million copies the way GoldenEye did. 19 years, I'd bet half the posters on this board weren't even born when that game came out. That's how far Nintendo is out of touch. 

That and the loss of Minoru Arakawa and Howard Lincoln was devastating to their Western outreach, they've never, ever been the same company after that. They've become a very Japan-centric company and have been for like 15 years now. You would need to have new leadership that actually knows what its doing with the Playstation/XBox crowd in the West and Nintendo simply does not have that. Reggie is just a glorified PR person, nothing more.  

Without any real leadership or vision, it doesn't really even matter what hardware you have ... the GameCube had great hardware and core gamers avoided it like the plague. 



bigtakilla said:
Werix357 said:

If Nintendo were using the X1 i then development kits should have launched early last year.

Maybe to avoid possible leaks they waited till the last minute, I mean in the same rumor that started all this it's plainly stated the dev kits have the X1 chip anyways, which completely counters your point.

True, but it sounds like the X1 in devkits were/are a stop gap till the final build otherwise like i said they would have had them out early last year.

Soundwave said:
Dev kits did ship last did they not? The WSJ report is from October of last year. It's possible Nintendo was using some type of different chip at that time and the Tegra X1 was only put into more modern kits, looks like that's going to be replaced by a Pascal Tegra in the last round of kits.

Yeah I read that about the devkits being out last year but there was a Japanese game dev (i forgot her name Tachi-somthing i think) here that contacted a few of her friends that are in the business and nothing to be found.



Soundwave said:
JWeinCom said:

The person who wants a 50 dollar chinese tablet will just buy that.  And between the chinese knock offs and ipads, there is a wide range.  Samsung tablets are under 200 already.  Fire tablets are 50.  They can already connect to your TV, and that technology is going to get better as time goes on.  That's not to mention that there are already plenty of hand me down tablets, ipods, and so on.  Plus, they'll be getting phones between 9 and 13, which leaves Nintendo an incredibly narrow window.  There's no reason for this product to exist if it's just going to do what other products already do... and I don't think that's Nintendo's strategy.

Trying to attack the mobile market head on would probably be the worst thing Nintendo could do, and it would be against their general strategy.  Nintendo tends to favor blue ocean strategy, and the tablet market is the reddest ocean you can find.  If Nintendo wants to compete directly with other companies, they're far better off competing with Sony and Microsoft.  That's not the best idea either, but it's way better than going against Apple, Samsung, and about 50 other companies in a market that Nintendo has little experience in.

Well to be fair there isn't really a tablet that plays "real" games. I can see a lot of 7-15 year old boys choosing this over vanilla Android tablet and parents being relatively happy because at least it was $100-$150 cheaper than that damn iPad. 

I think Nintendo just cannot let the kids market go, it always has been their bread and butter, they have to go after it with NX. 

Nintendo doesn't have the horses to go after Sony/MS. As I noted in my GoldenEye thread ... that game is 19 (19!!!!) years old in a few minutes time. That was the last time Nintendo really ever had a huge hit game that resonated with even the Playstation (and what would become the XBox) crowd. In 19 years they really have not, even on the Wii had a hit game on any of their systems aimed specifically at that Playstation crowd that sold like 3/4/5/6/7 million copies the way GoldenEye did. 19 years, I'd bet half the posters on this board weren't even born when that game came out. That's how far Nintendo is out of touch. 

That and the loss of Minoru Arakawa and Howard Lincoln was devastating to their Western outreach, they've never, ever been the same company after that. They've become a very Japan-centric company and have been for like 15 years now. You would need to have new leadership that actually knows what its doing with the Playstation/XBox crowd in the West and Nintendo simply does not have that. Reggie is just a glorified PR person, nothing more.  

But, if they're targetting the android market, "real" games isn't much of a selling point.  If real games are important, then a traditional handheld would probably work as well.  Plus, they could easily make a dedicated handheld that runs on android without sacrificing their home console presence.

I'm not suggesting that Nintendo should go directly against Microsoft or Sony.  But, it's far better than trying to attack the already overstuffed tablet market.  

"In 19 years they really have not, even on the Wii had a hit game on any of their systems aimed specifically at that Playstation crowd that sold like 3/4/5/6/7 million copies the way GoldenEye did. "

How exactly are you defining the "Playstation crowd"?  Cause Guitar Hero is obviously a given by any criteria.  I'd also include Super Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, Monster Hunter 4, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Smash Bros Melee, Twilight Princess, Mario Maker, Splatoon, Banjo-Kazooie, Metroid Prime, Skylanders, and so on.  Pretty much all of those games has a successful corrolary on Playstation systems.  I'm not sure what you said in the other topic, but I'm pretty sure it's some variation of the no true scotsman fallacy.



JWeinCom said:
Soundwave said:

Well to be fair there isn't really a tablet that plays "real" games. I can see a lot of 7-15 year old boys choosing this over vanilla Android tablet and parents being relatively happy because at least it was $100-$150 cheaper than that damn iPad. 

I think Nintendo just cannot let the kids market go, it always has been their bread and butter, they have to go after it with NX. 

Nintendo doesn't have the horses to go after Sony/MS. As I noted in my GoldenEye thread ... that game is 19 (19!!!!) years old in a few minutes time. That was the last time Nintendo really ever had a huge hit game that resonated with even the Playstation (and what would become the XBox) crowd. In 19 years they really have not, even on the Wii had a hit game on any of their systems aimed specifically at that Playstation crowd that sold like 3/4/5/6/7 million copies the way GoldenEye did. 19 years, I'd bet half the posters on this board weren't even born when that game came out. That's how far Nintendo is out of touch. 

That and the loss of Minoru Arakawa and Howard Lincoln was devastating to their Western outreach, they've never, ever been the same company after that. They've become a very Japan-centric company and have been for like 15 years now. You would need to have new leadership that actually knows what its doing with the Playstation/XBox crowd in the West and Nintendo simply does not have that. Reggie is just a glorified PR person, nothing more.  

But, if they're targetting the android market, "real" games isn't much of a selling point.  If real games are important, then a traditional handheld would probably work as well.  Plus, they could easily make a dedicated handheld that runs on android without sacrificing their home console presence.

I'm not suggesting that Nintendo should go directly against Microsoft or Sony.  But, it's far better than trying to attack the already overstuffed tablet market.  

"In 19 years they really have not, even on the Wii had a hit game on any of their systems aimed specifically at that Playstation crowd that sold like 3/4/5/6/7 million copies the way GoldenEye did. "

How exactly are you defining the "Playstation crowd"?  Cause Guitar Hero is obviously a given by any criteria.  I'd also include Super Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, Monster Hunter 4, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Smash Bros Melee, Twilight Princess, Mario Maker, Splatoon, Banjo-Kazooie, Metroid Prime, Skylanders, and so on.  Pretty much all of those games has a successful corrolary on Playstation systems.  I'm not sure what you said in the other topic, but I'm pretty sure it's some variation of the no true scotsman fallacy.

I'm talking about games like COD or GTA or Uncharted or Halo or Destiny or whatever ... I mean sure I think it can be reasonably said that it's been almost 20 years since Nintendo has been able to create anything themselves that would fit into that demographic appeal. GoldenEye was the last time really. 

They're just not very fucking good at appealling to teenage boys and college age players. They never really have been either, their marketing has always sucked for this group. And beyond that they have no shown any track record of being able to make and market successfully games for that group. 

Yeah they were able to kinda change the rules of the game for a little with the Wii fad, but that was never going to last forever, and even on the Wii, a system that sold 100 million units, Metroid Prime 3, Sin & Punishment 2, Xenoblade, The Last Story ... none of these types of games broke out to sell even 2 million copies. Not even 2 million. They would've probably sold about the same on the GameCube. 

Well I mean you can say "well I'm not saying go against MS/Sony, but it's better than X" ... well then basically you kinda are saying go against MS/Sony. 

Nintendo's in a tough spot really because there is no clear audience for them, but going after kids and Japan makes some degree of sense. 90% of their popular IP are mascot cartoon characters. I mean if you can't get kids, then really ... you never had a future in the dedicated hardware business anyway. It's like a person who is quite smart but not very good looking thinking they should go into a modelling career ... it's just not where their natural talents probably lie.