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The problem is nintendo makes their hardware the weakest.
People that buy nintendo systems, also buy other systems.
People buy multiplats for the strongest system (eg. not on the nintendo console).
3rd party multiplats notice they dont sell anything on nintendo systems, and dont want to develope for it.

^ its a cycle. it probably wont be any differnt with the NX.



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JRPGfan said:
The problem is nintendo makes their hardware the weakest.
People that buy nintendo systems, also buy other systems.
People buy multiplats for the strongest system (eg. not on the nintendo console).
3rd party multiplats notice they dont sell anything on nintendo systems, and dont want to develope for it.

^ its a cycle. it probably wont be any differnt with the NX.

Yeah pretty much. Though I do think things like Dragon Quest XI on NX could actually outsell the PS4 version, but things like that are confined to the Japanese market. 



KungKras said:
potato_hamster said:

You make it sound like Nintendo got bullied out of third party support by Sony and Microsoft.

Care to explain why third party games sold so poorly on the Wii with a 100 million install base? Developers didn't even care that Nitnendo was so terrible to work with, the install base has everyone clamouring to make Wii games! It's just too bad Wii owners didn't buy them.

I'm glad you mentioned the Wii. Because it proves my point. First to correct your major error. Wii did not get good support. Most of the industry hated it. Just look at gaming news articles from that time. If you don't agree about that then you have the memory of a gold fish.

There are examples on Wii that we can compare to other systems.

The age-old port of Resident Evil 4 sold on the same order of magnitude that the new release of it did on PS2.
Muramasa outsold its predecessor odin sphere by a lot.

Call of Duty 3 OUTSOLD the PS3 version.

It's always the same with you people," third parties sell worse on Nintendo, except for when they don't, let's not count it when they don't"


Memory of a gold fish? Nah.  There were over 1700 Wii games released. Most of them were third party. You can mention 3 third party games that did better on the wii than other platforms, and one of them was an exclusive, on a platform that sold better than the PS3 and X360.

You mentioned Call of Duty 3 - and sure it sold pretty well on the Wii. How did the sequel (World at War) do though? Not so great. How about its sequel, Modern Warfare 2? terrible in comparison to the PS3 and X360 copies. It's as if a couple million Nintendo fans decided to try out Call of Duty for the Novelty of it and decided they didn't really like it and lost intertest in subsequent years. And if Call of Duty, in its prime, on the biggest install base is getting absolutely shredded in comparison to PS3 and X360 sales, what game series actually can make it?

I actually made games that came out on the Wii. Lots of people put a lot of effort, and not so small budgets into Wii games (at least early on). Most of those games lost money or barely broke even. The only third party games that sold much of anything were Just Dance, and Sonic games. look at the effort that went into a title like Trauma Team. It sold less than 200K copies, and undoubtedly lost millions. Look at EA's sports games, like FIFA. Most of those games sold millions every year, but not on the Wii. Even with its giant install base, FIFA 09 sold less than a million copies world wide, when its PSP, PS2, PS3 and X360 versions all sold far more copies. Do you really think EA was putting more effort into the PSP version than the Wii version?

The Wii repeatedly showed that significant efforts for AAA third party Wii games were more than likely a total waste of time and money. It's ridiculous to state otherwise just because there's a handful of outliers.




JRPGfan said:
The problem is nintendo makes their hardware the weakest.
People that buy nintendo systems, also buy other systems.
People buy multiplats for the strongest system (eg. not on the nintendo console).
3rd party multiplats notice they dont sell anything on nintendo systems, and dont want to develope for it.

^ its a cycle. it probably wont be any differnt with the NX.

 This

and also

Really hope they differentiate in a good (read: popular, selling) way this time.
Because they would have the same issues if they made a PSONE clone, and people would see less reason to buy the console if it was same'ish without proper third party.
If people see that there is another kind of experience, I think Nintendo has a better chance.



potato_hamster said:
KungKras said:

I'm glad you mentioned the Wii. Because it proves my point. First to correct your major error. Wii did not get good support. Most of the industry hated it. Just look at gaming news articles from that time. If you don't agree about that then you have the memory of a gold fish.

There are examples on Wii that we can compare to other systems.

The age-old port of Resident Evil 4 sold on the same order of magnitude that the new release of it did on PS2.
Muramasa outsold its predecessor odin sphere by a lot.

Call of Duty 3 OUTSOLD the PS3 version.

It's always the same with you people," third parties sell worse on Nintendo, except for when they don't, let's not count it when they don't"


Memory of a gold fish? Nah.  There were over 1700 Wii games released. Most of them were third party. You can mention 3 third party games that did better on the wii than other platforms, and one of them was an exclusive, on a platform that sold better than the PS3 and X360.

You mentioned Call of Duty 3 - and sure it sold pretty well on the Wii. How did the sequel (World at War) do though? Not so great. How about its sequel, Modern Warfare 2? terrible in comparison to the PS3 and X360 copies. It's as if a couple million Nintendo fans decided to try out Call of Duty for the Novelty of it and decided they didn't really like it and lost intertest in subsequent years. And if Call of Duty, in its prime, on the biggest install base is getting absolutely shredded in comparison to PS3 and X360 sales, what game series actually can make it?

I actually made games that came out on the Wii. Lots of people put a lot of effort, and not so small budgets into Wii games (at least early on). Most of those games lost money or barely broke even. The only third party games that sold much of anything were Just Dance, and Sonic games. look at the effort that went into a title like Trauma Team. It sold less than 200K copies, and undoubtedly lost millions. Look at EA's sports games, like FIFA. Most of those games sold millions every year, but not on the Wii. Even with its giant install base, FIFA 09 sold less than a million copies world wide, when its PSP, PS2, PS3 and X360 versions all sold far more copies. Do you really think EA was putting more effort into the PSP version than the Wii version?

The Wii repeatedly showed that significant efforts for AAA third party Wii games were more than likely a total waste of time and money. It's ridiculous to state otherwise just because there's a handful of outliers.


If you don't mind, what games did you make? You say you're a developer and all...

I guess it depends. I've been getting mixed messages from these pat few years. Some devs don't like working with Nintendo for some reasons while others say they have a great relationship with them and are able to do things effectively. Heck the devs of FRN seem fine with their relationship with Nintendo to announce their next game being on their platform(s). 



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KungKras said:
V-r0cK said:

Well it's not the third parties fault, just saying.

It absolutely is.

they sold games just fine on Nintendo platforms before they stopped trying.

No. It's Nintendo's fault for playing it cheap on HW. If the NX rumors are right, it may be in the same boat. It's not up to devs to bend over for Nintendo's HW design, it's up to Nintendo to make HW that appeals to devs. Or at least to tens of millions (25M+) of gamers, so devs will feel compelled to port their games to that system.



Kai_Mao said:
potato_hamster said:


Memory of a gold fish? Nah.  There were over 1700 Wii games released. Most of them were third party. You can mention 3 third party games that did better on the wii than other platforms, and one of them was an exclusive, on a platform that sold better than the PS3 and X360.

You mentioned Call of Duty 3 - and sure it sold pretty well on the Wii. How did the sequel (World at War) do though? Not so great. How about its sequel, Modern Warfare 2? terrible in comparison to the PS3 and X360 copies. It's as if a couple million Nintendo fans decided to try out Call of Duty for the Novelty of it and decided they didn't really like it and lost intertest in subsequent years. And if Call of Duty, in its prime, on the biggest install base is getting absolutely shredded in comparison to PS3 and X360 sales, what game series actually can make it?

I actually made games that came out on the Wii. Lots of people put a lot of effort, and not so small budgets into Wii games (at least early on). Most of those games lost money or barely broke even. The only third party games that sold much of anything were Just Dance, and Sonic games. look at the effort that went into a title like Trauma Team. It sold less than 200K copies, and undoubtedly lost millions. Look at EA's sports games, like FIFA. Most of those games sold millions every year, but not on the Wii. Even with its giant install base, FIFA 09 sold less than a million copies world wide, when its PSP, PS2, PS3 and X360 versions all sold far more copies. Do you really think EA was putting more effort into the PSP version than the Wii version?

The Wii repeatedly showed that significant efforts for AAA third party Wii games were more than likely a total waste of time and money. It's ridiculous to state otherwise just because there's a handful of outliers.


If you don't mind, what games did you make? You say you're a developer and all...

I guess it depends. I've been getting mixed messages from these pat few years. Some devs don't like working with Nintendo for some reasons while others say they have a great relationship with them and are able to do things effectively. Heck the devs of FRN seem fine with their relationship with Nintendo to announce their next game being on their platform(s). 

I can't say without risking getting doxxed again. That crap isn't fun. Let's just say the bulk of my work was on regular sports-themed titles, but I'm not currently working on games like that. In fact most of the work I've done over the past few years is under an NDA. I've made games for PS2,PS3,PS4, PSP, PSP, Wii, DS, 3DS, X360, X1, iOS, Android and PC.

All I have to say about working about Nintendo, or any article that is posted through some type of publiser blog, or mainstream magazine is that it can be hard to tell what is real from PR. Just look at all of the articles about Microsoft and "the power of the cloud" that turned out to be pretty insignificant in practice.



Well, I didn't think this game would have been released for the NX anyways



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potato_hamster said:
bunchanumbers said:
I've been saying this for a while, but Nintendo needs to create a port team that works with 3rd party publishers. This team would port existing 3rd party games to Wii U/NX that 3rd party publishers refuse to do themselves. In return, Nintendo and the 3rd party publisher split profits on sales of those games on Wii U/NX.

Sony already does this. Nintendo should be doing this all the time. Even if its late ports, it bolsters the library, and if Nintendo can do this on the right budget it should be some cash for everyone.


There's major major IP theft concerns with this solution.

Nonsense. Sony already does this. USF4 on PS4 is an example. Same with some of those 3rd party ports that ended up on Vita. Sony has been doing this for a while now. Nintendo could do the same thing with little issue. They get a team together that knows how the hardware works, and it may end up turning out better than if 3rd parties touch the game themselves.



Just port some of your JRPGs instead. This game just wont sell well on the NX anyway.