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Chris Hu on 24 August 2016
Goodnightmoon said:
Chris Hu said:

According to popular opion 25th Hour might be a better movie but critically speaking Do the Right Think is a much better movie and like the Katrina documentary it is also socially much more significant then 25th Hour.

No is not, and how socially significan those movies are is completely irrelevant. Also I don't know where are you getting from that Do the right thing is critically more acclaimed than 25th hour because that is just not true, I think you are only basing your opinions in the scores you see on metacritic (instead of your own genuine opinion), but time has passed, the same critics that said Pulp Fiction was shit (a lot of them actually) now say is the best movie of the 90's, don't rely on old critic reviews when talking about classics.

Plus Do The Right Thing also made made both Siskel and Eberts list of 10 best movies of the 80s its 6th on Gene Siskel's list and 4th on Roger Ebert's list.



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lionpetercarmoo on 24 August 2016
foodfather said:
A damn fine list right there. I was a bit worried when I saw the title. I was expecting crap like Avengers and Captain AMurica to be in there knowing how bad the state of the imdb 250 is currently.

Mulholland Drive DOES NOT deserve to be No1 though and nor does Inherant Vice or Under the Skin deserve to be in the top 100.

The Avengers is the only reason the MCU is still alive. If Dark Knight can be on here so can The Avengers.



Goodnightmoon on 24 August 2016
Chris Hu said:
Goodnightmoon said:

No is not, and how socially significan those movies are is completely irrelevant. Also I don't know where are you getting from that Do the right thing is critically more acclaimed than 25th hour that is just not true, you are clearly basing your opinions only in the scores you see on metacritic, but time has passed, the same critics that said Pulp Fiction was shit now say is the best movie of the 90's, don't rely in old critics reviews when we talk about classics.

Do the Right Thing was critically acclaimed when it was first released it make the top spot on both Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert top ten movie list of 1989.

Of course It was aclaimed, and for good reasons, that's not the point, the thing is 25th hour is the most acclaimed out of his work nowadays, is the bigger classic now, and you shouldn't be relying on metacritic scores to judge the work of a director, have a real opinion instead, what you said about the Katrina documentary being his best work just because the score is higher was kind of dumb.



Chris Hu on 24 August 2016
Goodnightmoon said:
Chris Hu said:

Do the Right Thing was critically acclaimed when it was first released it make the top spot on both Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert top ten movie list of 1989.

Of course It was aclaimed, and for good reasons, that's not the point, the thing is 25th hour is the most acclaimed out of his work nowadays, is the bigger classic now, and you shouldn't be relying on metacritic scores to judge the work of a director, have a real opinion instead.

Well I proved my point that Do the Right Thing was more critically acclaimed then 25 Hour which didn't top any best movies of 2002 list and as far as I know didn't make any list of top ten movies of the 00's either.



Goodnightmoon on 24 August 2016
Chris Hu said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Of course It was aclaimed, and for good reasons, that's not the point, the thing is 25th hour is the most acclaimed out of his work nowadays, is the bigger classic now, and you shouldn't be relying on metacritic scores to judge the work of a director, have a real opinion instead.

Well I proved my point that Do the Right Thing was more critically acclaimed then 25 Hour which didn't top any best movies of 2002 list and as far as I know didn't make any list of top ten movies of the 00's either.

I have a surprise for you: 

Oliver Scott, Richard Roeper and Roger Ebert all of them put 25th hour on their "best films of the 00's decade list" 

And now 177 critics over the planet has included the movie among the 30 best of the century.

You proved nothing more than a lack of personal opinion, that's why you said the docu about Katrina that nobody saw is his best work to date and that's probably the reason you say Do the right thing is so much better, because you saw it has a 90 on meta, wich is way more than what 25th hour had on release. Don't rely so much on that.



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Vinther1991 on 24 August 2016
Volterra_90 said:
Vinther1991 said:

To me, what Tree of Life was trying to show was: What makes us who we are? So naturally there is this whole universe creation scene, dynosaurs etc, to show where the whole species and our environment come from. Then the film zooms in on a specific individual, and shows how life events form that person, upbringing, major events etc. I think it's a terrific movie.

I think I get how the whole creation scene fits with the family drama. More or less. It felt a bit out of place imo, but, yeah, I could dig that. I really don't know what's the deal about those beach scenes. And the family drama felt... weak (Boyhood on the other hand nailed it imo). Nothing outstanding about it imo. It's a totally different way of making movies, and the fact is that I just don't get it. I feel good knowing that I'm not alone XD. I get Fynch for example, I love him, but Malick... 

Fair enough. I'm totally fascinated with The Tree of Life and Malick in general, it's always a huge spiritual experience for me to watch his movies. Yes Boyhood is amazing!

 



Vinther1991 on 24 August 2016
Chris Hu said:
LurkerJ said:

So you basically just like to lable things beyond good and bad, it's ok, we're good friends after all.

All the movies I metioned have a way higher critics metascore then A.I.  If you go by critics metascore A.I. is not even in Spielbergs top 10.

Because it has a higher average score, doesn't mean it meant enough to any of the critics. that gave the high scores, to put it on their favorite movies list. On the other hand the more devisive A.I. might have scored some very low scores from some critics, while others enjoyed it so much that it ended up on their personal favorites lists.

Personally I actually think A.I. is Spielberg's best film. It examins what it means to be human, and does it in a poetic, non-spoon feeding way. I love it! Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan however do nothing for me, I think they simplify complex topics, just to make them more accesible to the wide audience, so Spielberg could get his Oscars. I respect that people might consider them masterpieces, and I can see some of their technical brilliance, but as a whole the movies feel artificial to me.

Spielberg's best in my opinion are: A.I., Raiders, Jaws, War Horse, Close Encounters, Minority Report, Munich, E.T. and Jurassic Park in that order

Goodnightmoon said:
Chris Hu said:

Do the Right Thing was critically acclaimed when it was first released it make the top spot on both Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert top ten movie list of 1989.

Of course It was aclaimed, and for good reasons, that's not the point, the thing is 25th hour is the most acclaimed out of his work nowadays, is the bigger classic now, and you shouldn't be relying on metacritic scores to judge the work of a director, have a real opinion instead, what you said about the Katrina documentary being his best work just because the score is higher was kind of dumb.

I think I have to agree with Chris Hu, Do the Right Thing is probably still Spike Lee's most acclaimed movie, with 25th Hour and Malcolm X as 2nd/3rd.  This top 1000 list was made by combining a ton of best of lists from critics, as you see, Do the Right Thing is the only movie on the list, as number 138. http://theyshootpictures.com/gf1000_all1000films_table.php

(Malcolm X and 25th Hour can both be found in the extended 1001-2000 list, which isn't numbered). I don't know which of his movies is the best though, have only seen Do the Right Thing, which was pretty decent.

 



OdinHades on 24 August 2016

Nice to see Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind in the Top 10! One of my favourite movies of all time, I didn't even know it's so popular with critics.

I'm definitely missing Pirates of the Caribbean though. =P



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Goodnightmoon on 24 August 2016
Vinther1991 said:
Chris Hu said:

All the movies I metioned have a way higher critics metascore then A.I.  If you go by critics metascore A.I. is not even in Spielbergs top 10.

Because it has a higher average score, doesn't mean it meant enough to any of the critics. that gave the high scores, to put it on their favorite movies list. On the other hand the more devisive A.I. might have scored some very low scores from some critics, while others enjoyed it so much that it ended up on their personal favorites lists.

Personally I actually think A.I. is Spielberg's best film. It examins what it means to be human, and does it in a poetic, non-spoon feeding way. I love it! Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan however do nothing for me, I think they simplify complex topics, just to make them more accesible to the wide audience, so Spielberg could get his Oscars. I respect that people might consider them masterpieces, and I can see some of their technical brilliance, but as a whole the movies feel artificial to me.

Spielberg's best in my opinion are: A.I., Raiders, Jaws, War Horse, Close Encounters, Minority Report, Munich, E.T. and Jurassic Park in that order

Goodnightmoon said:

Of course It was aclaimed, and for good reasons, that's not the point, the thing is 25th hour is the most acclaimed out of his work nowadays, is the bigger classic now, and you shouldn't be relying on metacritic scores to judge the work of a director, have a real opinion instead, what you said about the Katrina documentary being his best work just because the score is higher was kind of dumb.

I think I have to agree with Chris Hu, Do the Right Thing is probably still Spike Lee's most acclaimed movie, with 25th Hour and Malcolm X as 2nd/3rd.  This top 1000 list was made by combining a ton of best of lists from critics, as you see, Do the Right Thing is the only movie on the list, as number 138. http://theyshootpictures.com/gf1000_all1000films_table.php

(Malcolm X and 25th Hour can both be found in the extended 1001-2000 list, which isn't numbered). I don't know which of his movies is the best though, have only seen Do the Right Thing, which was pretty decent.

 

Colored me surprise then, I didn't even know this list existed, is cool but it comes to me as an extremelly classic and conservative ranking, like if modern things need to be way better than the old to be high, so it doesn't really surprise me that the old classic here (do the right thing) is higher than the new one, however I think more progressive critics would rate 25th hour higher, the place it has on BBC makes me think it would be at least way higher than what that list suggest. But anyway, my point stills hold, he shouldn't be trusting metacritic scores on this things, the docu about katrina is no where to be found despite being its highest scored work, and some films high on the ranking had low reviews at launch yet they are now considered classics where other movies with brilliant reviews were forgotten.



Mr.Playstation on 24 August 2016

No Toy Story 3 or The incredibles but Spring Breakers is at No.74. Are they serious?



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