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ArchangelMadzz said:
KLAMarine said:

I can understand people relating to other people who are successful, sure. Collective racial pride itself is nonsense. No one ever put any work towards being born into the skin tone they were born into. People being proud of their skin color is silly. An achievement that requires zero effort.

People only feel pride in their race/orientation/disability when others make them feel like they should feel bad for it.

I drink water a lot. But if a large group of people around me was telling me how awful I am for drinking water, and I'm worth less because of it. I'd think, "Fuck you, I like drinking water and proud of it, bitch" 

Silly example but I hope the idea came across..

Then you should be proud of the fact that you continue drinking water despite the pressure around you, not at the fact that you drink water.



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I honestly haven't thought about it. I'm a tad prideful of being Irish though.



 

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AbbathTheGrim said:

When they look in the mirror and recognize their race, what are the correct and acceptable feelings white people should feel towards their own race?

Do you believe white people cannot feel pride about their own race without that pride implying racism?

Is pride in your own race only ok when that pride comes from being a minority and being an oppressed race?

How do you think white people should feel about their own race?

When a black person in the US or a Jewish person in Germany celebrates pride in their race, it's because they were hugely oppressed for being that race. If a white person shows pride for being white in either nation, they are being a racist dick, because racially motivated things that whites did in the US and Germany are enslaving black people, killing natives, and attempting to exterminate Slavs and Jewish people.



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AbbathTheGrim said:

When they look in the mirror and recognize their race, what are the correct and acceptable feelings white people should feel towards their own race?

Do you believe white people cannot feel pride about their own race without that pride implying racism?

Is pride in your own race only ok when that pride comes from being a minority and being an oppressed race?

How do you think white people should feel about their own race?

When a black person in the US or a Jewish person in Germany celebrates pride in their race, it's because they were hugely oppressed for being that race. If a white person shows pride for being white in either nation, they are being a racist dick, because racially motivated things that whites did in the US and Germany are enslaving black people, killing natives, and attempting to exterminate Slavs and Jewish people.



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Jumpin said:
AbbathTheGrim said:

When they look in the mirror and recognize their race, what are the correct and acceptable feelings white people should feel towards their own race?

Do you believe white people cannot feel pride about their own race without that pride implying racism?

Is pride in your own race only ok when that pride comes from being a minority and being an oppressed race?

How do you think white people should feel about their own race?

When a black person in the US or a Jewish person in Germany celebrates pride in their race, it's because they were hugely oppressed for being that race. If a white person shows pride for being white in either nation, they are being a racist dick, because racially motivated things that whites did in the US and Germany are enslaving black people, killing natives, and attempting to exterminate Slavs and Jewish people.

What if that white person is a slav or jew? Ya know, since both slavs and jews are still white people...



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ArchangelMadzz said:
I'm proud of my accomplishments and achievements. I'm happy with being my race (black) I wouldn't change it. But I don't really understand racial pride as it's not an achievement, or something you earned. You were born within a race and didn't have a choice, I don't understand the pride there.


BUT, I don't think that's what people mean when they have Black Pride, or Gay pride etc. It's more a situation of, people have tried to make me feel bad for being a certain way, and fuck you I'm happy with who I am.

So when people say white people shouldn't have white pride (it's wrong to say they shouldn't anyone has the right to be proud of their background) it's usually under the guise of, you haven't gone through what me and people who look like me went through whilst growing up, so you're saying this to try and belittle me.

Guess what... no person have ever passed through the same thing as another one, and you can't accertain for any degree of certainty that because of skin color someone have gone through more hardship than another.

That is the very racist and separatist feeling the left wing try to put in place that is completely false.

The individual matter, the color or the alleged background the ancestors had don't.

SpokenTruth said:
DonFerrari said:

But somehow you want to say that only one is valid

Only one what is valid?   Feeling proud of others success because they represent you?   Or the feeling of pride because you are a part of a maligned group that rose above expectations and achieved success in a system that functions to hinder it?

Both are valid.  Both apply.  But both have different circumstances.

The difference is fan Johnny seeing hockey star Steve slap a puck in the goal is being proud of his team.  Steve doesn't represent the struggles, trial, tribulations and oppression that Johnny deals with because Johnny doesn't have those problems...so there is no association there.  Johnny is associated to Steve as a representative of his city.

Fan Tyrone seeing basketball star Deandre drive the paint and dunk is both being proud of his team and the achievements he makes despite the odds against him.  Those same odds Deandre faced, Tyrone faces.  It's watching as the world around you tells you that you are insignificant because of who you are and seeing a representative of that group defiantly stand against the oppression. 

 

If you think a black man is proud of another black man just because he's black, you've thrown an airball too.  You miss the reason. 

If you never ask why they are proud and only assume a reason...you know where that goes.

You were very clear on only black people and similar acceptability to pride over others and projecting then on the successful ones.

And see above, no 2 people have gone through the same hardships, and you can't rule one suffering more or less only looking at skin color and assuming.

Guess what... the world will tell you that you are insignificant for thousand different reasons and you won't be able to hide, and a lot of those reasons have nothing to do with your skin color but people will find something to dismisse and diminish you if you let them.

Jumpin said:
AbbathTheGrim said:

When they look in the mirror and recognize their race, what are the correct and acceptable feelings white people should feel towards their own race?

Do you believe white people cannot feel pride about their own race without that pride implying racism?

Is pride in your own race only ok when that pride comes from being a minority and being an oppressed race?

How do you think white people should feel about their own race?

When a black person in the US or a Jewish person in Germany celebrates pride in their race, it's because they were hugely oppressed for being that race. If a white person shows pride for being white in either nation, they are being a racist dick, because racially motivated things that whites did in the US and Germany are enslaving black people, killing natives, and attempting to exterminate Slavs and Jewish people.

Nope, they are showing pride for being born as he was and not commiting any crime that anyone try to put on him for how he was born.

Black people kill a lot more blacks in USA than white people do. Black people enslaved a lot more people in Africa than you would guess, and also enslaved white people and jews as well. Don't try to make a bad white people against the saints of other races.



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I'm not entirely sold on that being a female.

Soundwave said:

Yes African human groups that migrated outside of Africa have interbreeding with Neanderthals, which for racial pursuits then means people in Africa are actually the "purest" human group (lol, don't think the racial supremacists like that though). 

Still our genetic variance is very low. Neanderthal genes are common to people in Asia and Africa too, it's not like it was limited to Europe. The genetic contribution of Neanderthals to the human genetic code is still also measured at about 1-4% so it's not a ton either. Likely some small group of our distant ancestors mated with Neanderthals out of need (no suitable partners to fuck) or probably more likely were raped or did the raping, lol. I'm guessing our mating rituals/habits back then weren't quite so posh. 

Feel that's very likely, we are supposed to be civilised and still we have rape going on left to right, so I am not surprised if back then they behaved even more like animals than some of us do now.



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KLAMarine said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

People only feel pride in their race/orientation/disability when others make them feel like they should feel bad for it.

I drink water a lot. But if a large group of people around me was telling me how awful I am for drinking water, and I'm worth less because of it. I'd think, "Fuck you, I like drinking water and proud of it, bitch" 

Silly example but I hope the idea came across..

Then you should be proud of the fact that you continue drinking water despite the pressure around you, not at the fact that you drink water.

The same way someone would be proud to continue to be homosexual despite the scrutiny, and continue to enjoy being their ethnicity despite the racists. If it wasn't an issue and no one cared, there wouldn't be pride parades, or pride in race etc.



DonFerrari said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
I'm proud of my accomplishments and achievements. I'm happy with being my race (black) I wouldn't change it. But I don't really understand racial pride as it's not an achievement, or something you earned. You were born within a race and didn't have a choice, I don't understand the pride there.


BUT, I don't think that's what people mean when they have Black Pride, or Gay pride etc. It's more a situation of, people have tried to make me feel bad for being a certain way, and fuck you I'm happy with who I am.

So when people say white people shouldn't have white pride (it's wrong to say they shouldn't anyone has the right to be proud of their background) it's usually under the guise of, you haven't gone through what me and people who look like me went through whilst growing up, so you're saying this to try and belittle me.

Guess what... no person have ever passed through the same thing as another one, and you can't accertain for any degree of certainty that because of skin color someone have gone through more hardship than another.

That is the very racist and separatist feeling the left wing try to put in place that is completely false.

The individual matter, the color or the alleged background the ancestors had don't.

Since when did 'You didn't grow up dealing with racism and feeling worthless for being white" mean that you didn't have more hardship? Don't put words in my mouth. (or text to my fingers)

It doesn't have to be race, if you've grown up with a lisp, being blind, a skin condition, autism or any other disibility. And society made you feel like shit for it, it's obviously there will be a group of them that will say 'Fuck you, I'm proud of who I am'. 



I dunno. Every time I ran across anyone who was proud of their race, they were more often than not, racist. Because they saw themselves as separate from others.