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Over that last 50 years vocal left wing political activist groups have slowly transformed society and persuaded governments to make unpopular decisions that favour minority groups over the silent majority. White people now risk being labelled racists by media, society and the government.



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Dark_Lord_2008 said:
White people Racists now risk being labelled racists by media, society and the government.

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Well as a white guy, I don't feel anything about my own race. I just see myself as a guy. Which I get the feeling is what people are talking about when they talk about privilege (ie. it's invisible to those who have it).
So following that logic, I suppose we'll have overcome racism as a global society, when nobody really feels anything about themselves or eachother beyond their individual worth.
I dunno. I'm no social scientist.



Speak for yourselves. Ireland has thousands of years of rich history, destroyed by other "white" people who came, raped, starved and killed millions of us and we were treated like slaves for hundreds of years. (See the penal laws). Tagging all "white" people is a stereotype and is just as bad as tagging all "black" people. This is an American issue so leave it there please. Not all black people are treated like black Americans. Not all white people have and have had white privilege. 

 

Now we are a wealthy nation because we fought hard to retain our culture and our "privileges" but seriously, it has nothing got to do with being white. We still put up with crap from American and uk media with twisted lies and nonsense. They couldn't have any other country doing well! People will kill eachother no matter what. They will find an excuse. How am I supposed to feel about white privilege? It's an american invention because white people used to own black people in the USA and it will take hundreds of years to level out. It's really white American privilege. I've lived there, and was treated like foreign filth. I should know. Was I privileged? 



cfin2987@gmail.com said:

Speak for yourselves. Ireland has thousands of years of rich history, destroyed by other "white" people who came, raped, starved and killed millions of us and we were treated like slaves for hundreds of years. (See the penal laws). Tagging all "white" people is a stereotype and is just as bad as tagging all "black" people. This is an American issue so leave it there please. Not all black people are treated like black Americans. Not all white people have and have had white privilege. 

Now we are a wealthy nation because we fought hard to retain our culture and our "privileges" but seriously, it has nothing got to do with being white. We still put up with crap from American and uk media with twisted lies and nonsense. They couldn't have any other country doing well! People will kill eachother no matter what. They will find an excuse. How am I supposed to feel about white privilege? It's an american invention because white people used to own black people in the USA and it will take hundreds of years to level out. It's really white American privilege. I've lived there, and was treated like foreign filth. I should know. Was I privileged? 

This is really interesting.  If you are okay with talking about it, I would like to hear more about how an Irish person was treated like filth in the USA.  I thought anti-Irish discrimination was a thing of the past.  As for "putting up with crap from the media", I thought that the only time American media disparaged the Irish was on St. Patrick's Day



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1. And I didn't said it's a 1:1... so do would you say it's a 1:1 relationship between raising wages and % of union?

2. I didn't denied they had good effect, I'm saying what their inner interest is based on their leaders behavior.

1.  Fair enough.  No, although I think the relationship between a union-influenced workplace and general worker protection and benefits is closer than in the other comparison. 

2.  I had the impression that your position was that unions today are basically just out to line their own pockets and do little or nothing to benefit workers in practice.  If that's not your position, then okay, and other than that I'm not even sure where this line of inquiry is going any more, to be honest. 

1. Dunno, we never had the union come into the company I work, but we are very high standard on worker protection. But sure the union had positive aspects on the workplace through history, and also had several negative impacts causing unemployment. Like our "worker rights" that make someone that you pay R$ 1k cost between 2 and 2,5k for you, leaving a lot of workers unemployed because companies can't make the cost match the productivity and validate the hiring, and minimum wage that is above the expected return of that worker (even though the minimum wage is very low and very little of the employees are paid it).

2. In Brazil they do very little. They are more using the unionized people to fight for the party in the politics and collecting money for their own than they do work for the workers. They greatest project for the last year was raising the mandatory tax to subside unions.



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cfin2987@gmail.com said:

Speak for yourselves. Ireland has thousands of years of rich history, destroyed by other "white" people who came, raped, starved and killed millions of us and we were treated like slaves for hundreds of years. (See the penal laws). Tagging all "white" people is a stereotype and is just as bad as tagging all "black" people. This is an American issue so leave it there please. Not all black people are treated like black Americans. Not all white people have and have had white privilege. 

Now we are a wealthy nation because we fought hard to retain our culture and our "privileges" but seriously, it has nothing got to do with being white. We still put up with crap from American and uk media with twisted lies and nonsense. They couldn't have any other country doing well! People will kill eachother no matter what. They will find an excuse. How am I supposed to feel about white privilege? It's an american invention because white people used to own black people in the USA and it will take hundreds of years to level out. It's really white American privilege. I've lived there, and was treated like foreign filth. I should know. Was I privileged? 

This is really interesting.  If you are okay with talking about it, I would like to hear more about how an Irish person was treated like filth in the USA.  I thought anti-Irish discrimination was a thing of the past.  As for "putting up with crap from the media", I thought that the only time American media disparaged the Irish was on St. Patrick's Day

Just some examples....

 

1. People telling me that my daughters who were born in the USA to their American mother should have to carry their passport around with them.

2. Being told on a daily basis that a nice American boy could have been doing the job I stole

3. Constantly being told to shut up. That I know nothing and have no opinion about US affairs.

4. Being called a potatoes muncher. Pure and constant ignorance from Americans trying to tell me about my own country like its A poor place. Telling me things like we had a famine in the 1980s because their "mother told" them. Making jokes about the IRA which is actually part of Northern Ireland, thus a UK problem. 

5 being told and argued with that I was British. Britain? A different island.

6. Constant abuse and stereotypes, calling me an alcoholic and saying "you're poor wife must have a terrible time with you being Irish". 

7. Being told by my in laws that I was foreign and needed to keep my mouth shut. I was lucky to be in Murica.

8. America is apparently the best at everything and therefore, when Ireland does something well, they automatically got offended with me and had to put me down. Not some people. Most people had NO idea about the outside world. 

9. People getting in my face at work, in the street, at the cinema and putting on stupid leprechaun voice and mocking me. Try doing that to a Jewish or black guy.

Now now I am back living in Ireland, surrounded by Americans. The nice kind who couldn't put up with the same xenophobic shit at home that was the reason I left. If you can't live happily in the USA as an Irish person, then i don't know who would like it there. I'm sure some states are ok, but I tried numerous in the Midwest and it stunk of stupid, racists, bigot. The list above could go on and on. Wasted years!

 

And the media? The only time Ireland is on the news there is when something bad happens. They openly make racist remarks about Irish people. They claim we steal their jobs because we have European head quarters here for there companies. Where else would it be, the fools? it's the EUROPEAN headquarters. And the job stealing? We are all skilled IT and business people. We take those euro market USA company jobs and we do a great job. Then we send back the jobs from our companies that we don't want. Because we get free college and America doesn't have the IT people to fill those jobs. Well we don't have farmers and manufacturers to fill our Kerry group or CRH jobs. So we send those to the USA. The USA makes deals with those companies and that's ok. But when my little country does the same? Shaaaaaaaaaame. Propaganda bs. 



They're not supposed to feel anything. They're just supposed to wake up in the morning and live their daily lives like everyone else. Our skin color should have no effect on that. Unless a white person has personally done something wrong toward someone of a different color, then there's no reason to feel any guilt about who they are. People just need to start being people.



cfin2987@gmail.com said:
Final-Fan said:

This is really interesting.  If you are okay with talking about it, I would like to hear more about how an Irish person was treated like filth in the USA.  I thought anti-Irish discrimination was a thing of the past.  As for "putting up with crap from the media", I thought that the only time American media disparaged the Irish was on St. Patrick's Day

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Now now I am back living in Ireland, surrounded by Americans. The nice kind who couldn't put up with the same xenophobic shit at home that was the reason I left. If you can't live happily in the USA as an Irish person, then i don't know who would like it there. I'm sure some states are ok, but I tried numerous in the Midwest and it stunk of stupid, racists, bigot. The list above could go on and on. Wasted years!

And the media? The only time Ireland is on the news there is when something bad happens. They openly make racist remarks about Irish people. They claim we steal their jobs because we have European head quarters here for there companies. Where else would it be, the fools? it's the EUROPEAN headquarters. And the job stealing? We are all skilled IT and business people. We take those euro market USA company jobs and we do a great job. Then we send back the jobs from our companies that we don't want. Because we get free college and America doesn't have the IT people to fill those jobs. Well we don't have farmers and manufacturers to fill our Kerry group or CRH jobs. So we send those to the USA. The USA makes deals with those companies and that's ok. But when my little country does the same? Shaaaaaaaaaame. Propaganda bs. 

I see.  Standard anti-immigrant bigotry, seasoned with just enough knowledge to make them comfortable displaying their shocking ignorance.  I'm sorry for that. 

But it often seems like the only time ANYTHING is in the news is when something bad happens.  I do remember hearing media talk about jobs getting outsourced to Ireland, but I always thought they took a "better Ireland than India" angle; I guess not.  The only thing that Ireland is really "stealing" is the companies themselves in those dumb corporate inversions, and that's something to blame on the corporations. 



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cfin2987@gmail.com said:
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Now now I am back living in Ireland, surrounded by Americans. The nice kind who couldn't put up with the same xenophobic shit at home that was the reason I left. If you can't live happily in the USA as an Irish person, then i don't know who would like it there. I'm sure some states are ok, but I tried numerous in the Midwest and it stunk of stupid, racists, bigot. The list above could go on and on. Wasted years!

And the media? The only time Ireland is on the news there is when something bad happens. They openly make racist remarks about Irish people. They claim we steal their jobs because we have European head quarters here for there companies. Where else would it be, the fools? it's the EUROPEAN headquarters. And the job stealing? We are all skilled IT and business people. We take those euro market USA company jobs and we do a great job. Then we send back the jobs from our companies that we don't want. Because we get free college and America doesn't have the IT people to fill those jobs. Well we don't have farmers and manufacturers to fill our Kerry group or CRH jobs. So we send those to the USA. The USA makes deals with those companies and that's ok. But when my little country does the same? Shaaaaaaaaaame. Propaganda bs. 

I see.  Standard anti-immigrant bigotry, seasoned with just enough knowledge to make them comfortable displaying their shocking ignorance.  I'm sorry for that. 

But it often seems like the only time ANYTHING is in the news is when something bad happens.  I do remember hearing media talk about jobs getting outsourced to Ireland, but I always thought they took a "better Ireland than India" angle; I guess not.  The only thing that Ireland is really "stealing" is the companies themselves in those dumb corporate inversions, and that's something to blame on the corporations. 

That side all comesdown to the taxation. (See Apple ruling by the EU last week)

It really does end up becoming Global Corporations vs the people regardless of where you are. Do US Multi Nationals owe the US anything? etc.

I will back cfin up regarding Irish people.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=no+dogs+no+irish&rlz=1C1ASUC_enGB649GB649&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=979&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj6o7qM3_POAhVrJsAKHSd7DssQ_AUIBygC

Will show you the horrific prejudice they and black people used to face in the UK. I have an American wife, but we live in England. Having spoken with some of her "Liberal" friends, it really is incredible just how much the US situation is projected onto the rest of the world.

There are plenty of oppressed white ethnicities. Sadly the situation in the US completely silences them.

One thing though cfin, Ireland is part of the British Isles, so you are British in that respect. :p



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