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Forums - Politics Discussion - Are you for or against voluntary euthanasia/assisted dying?

 

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For it 139 84.24%
 
Against it 14 8.48%
 
Undecided 12 7.27%
 
Total:165
curl-6 on 22 August 2016
Illusion said:

You consider it humane because you assume that it will end the patient's suffering.  In fact, you have no idea what comes after this life.  Holding up euthanasia as a means to end suffering is total guess-work and euthanasia advocates selling this to patients without a shred of proof of what lies on the other side is wrong.

I for one know that hell is real and I also know that the suffering there is far worse than anything in this life and I want to help as many people as possible avoid it. 

To flip this around though, what proof is there that hell exists?



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Peh on 23 August 2016
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
I am strongly against euthanasia. It is a mortal sin to commit suicide and by taking the easy way out. Jesus did not die for people to commit suicide. If you commit suicide you will burn for an eternity in the pits of hell. Euthanasia is assisted suicide and the people assisting a person to die are committing murder.

As far as I know, telling people they go to hell if they kill themself was only meant for slaves.

It was pretty annoying early on, when you bought one for lotsa money and they go with "nope" and go suicide and you have to clean up the mess. Waste of money and you have to look for a new one. The bible doesn't tell you anything about not killing yourself and that you will end up in hell for eternity.



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mjk45 on 23 August 2016
Qwark said:
WagnerPaiva said:
I am against prolong life for too long when the pacient is suffering, so I guess I am in favor of a pacient being able to say: enough, no more medicines, no more operations, let me die in my house, in peace.
Now, I would not ask for a lethal injection, that would be too much.

Maybe you wouldn't, but if another patient does, what harm is there in giving that person that option. Although 9/10 times pulling the plug or medication does the trick.

What many people don't realise is that when you hear of someone dying of cancer , what often happens is they are given morphine for the pain and as the cancer spreads the amount that needed to give the patient pain relief, incrementally increases until the amount needed is enough to end the patients life .



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The Fury on 23 August 2016
Illusion said:

You consider it humane because you assume that it will end the patient's suffering.  In fact, you have no idea what comes after this life.  Holding up euthanasia as a means to end suffering is total guess-work and euthanasia advocates selling this to patients without a shred of proof of what lies on the other side is wrong.

I for one know that hell is real and I also know that the suffering there is far worse than anything in this life and I want to help as many people as possible avoid it.  That is why I oppose euthanasia.

For the record, I am a Catholic and I strongly oppose the death penalty, as well.

Your faith is something to admire but you have to remember that it is up to you to believe what you believe and let others live their lives the way they want as best they can. It is not up to you if I decide to take up driving, have a family, play video games and not if I, in good frame of mind, decide I don't want to live anymore. If I am suffering in this life but I have lead a good honest one, euthanasia may be a way out of the pain into a good afterlife, not a bad one.



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SkepticallyMinded on 23 August 2016
KLXVER said:
SkepticallyMinded said:

Sure if that's their wish...why are you impeding their rights to do as they please?

So you think there should be a person killing any person who want it? Why not let him eat them afterwards? I mean that doesnt hurt anyone...

Yes. Why not indeed? You seem to think you're making counter-arguments but you actually aren't. Drawing tangential scenarios is an ignoratio elenchi fallacy. 



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KLXVER on 24 August 2016
SkepticallyMinded said:
KLXVER said:

So you think there should be a person killing any person who want it? Why not let him eat them afterwards? I mean that doesnt hurt anyone...

Yes. Why not indeed? You seem to think you're making counter-arguments but you actually aren't. Drawing tangential scenarios is an ignoratio elenchi fallacy. 

I am. You just seem to hate the human race.



DragonRouge on 24 August 2016
Illusion said:
Pemalite said:
                                         

Everyone on this planet is born Athiest, my own country is Secular. - Thus when we start talking about medical issues, religious "law" should not be a factor, it's ultimately irrelevent as not everyone believes/follows whatever religion you believe anyway.
Same goes for Same-sex marriage, religious law/standards shouldn't play a part, if you don't agree with it on religious grounds, then that's fine, but don't restrict anyone else's freedom because of your religion, keep it to yourself.

As someone who works in the Health industry and having to assist those with some highly debilitating issues and immense pain, Euthanasia is a HUMANE practice that should be considered for extreme cases with input from professionals, carers and family in a tribunal like environment.
In somewhere like the USA, people don't think twice about executing criminals. (Some who have been found innocent after the fact.) Yet are worried about someone writhing in pain where no help exists? I think that's some pretty terrible double standards in my opinion.

You consider it humane because you assume that it will end the patient's suffering.  In fact, you have no idea what comes after this life.  Holding up euthanasia as a means to end suffering is total guess-work and euthanasia advocates selling this to patients without a shred of proof of what lies on the other side is wrong.

I for one know that hell is real and I also know that the suffering there is far worse than anything in this life and I want to help as many people as possible avoid it.  That is why I oppose euthanasia.

For the record, I am a Catholic and I strongly oppose the death penalty, as well.

Bolded: My contradiction detector just melted.

OT: If modern society supports the right of living the way you want as long as you don't affect others, then the right of dying on your own terms should also be granted.



SkepticallyMinded on 24 August 2016
KLXVER said:
SkepticallyMinded said:

Yes. Why not indeed? You seem to think you're making counter-arguments but you actually aren't. Drawing tangential scenarios is an ignoratio elenchi fallacy. 

I am. You just seem to hate the human race.

Well no you aren't making any counter arguments. Read a book man, I cited what fallacy you are guilty of so there really is no excuse for this obtuseness. You are clearly not in favor of freedom.



KLXVER on 24 August 2016
SkepticallyMinded said:
KLXVER said:

I am. You just seem to hate the human race.

Well no you aren't making any counter arguments. Read a book man, I cited what fallacy you are guilty of so there really is no excuse for this obtuseness. You are clearly not in favor of freedom.

You have no idea what you are talking about. You sound like some rich kid who has never had any real problems in your life.



SkepticallyMinded on 26 August 2016
KLXVER said:
SkepticallyMinded said:

Well no you aren't making any counter arguments. Read a book man, I cited what fallacy you are guilty of so there really is no excuse for this obtuseness. You are clearly not in favor of freedom.

You have no idea what you are talking about. You sound like some rich kid who has never had any real problems in your life.

Right, explicitly citing logical fallacies you're guilty of is having "no idea what [i am] talking about". Are you seriously this delusional or is this a prank?