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zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:

It lacked the popular core games of its day. Call of Duty was not the "real" Call of Duty on other platforms, no Assassin's Creed, no Elder Scrolls, no GTA, etc. etc. 

For a system that sold 100 million units I think there's only three total million-selling "core audience" games on the Wii from third parties -- Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition, Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles, and I think COD3 just got over 1 million. Maybe Red Steel too? Oh wait there was Monster Hunter Tri. 

Grand Theft Auto V on the XBox 360 alone may have sold more than every "core" third party game on the Wii, lol, it wouldn't shock me. There was a relatively small market for non-Mario/Zelda "core" games on the Wii ... Metroid Prime 3, Xenoblade, Sin & Punishment 2, The Last Story, etc. probably all would've sold about the same on the GameCube. 

How does any of that have relate to what i said?

You and Oniyide are awful about doing this, you dont actually respond to what people say and go off on your own tangents.

The fact that casual games sold better than core games on Wii or that core games sold better on PS3/360 is absolutely irrelevant.

if that is irrlevant then whats the point. THe fact is that the WII missed the TRULY important core games, thats all we were saying.



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oniyide said:
zorg1000 said:

How does any of that have relate to what i said?

You and Oniyide are awful about doing this, you dont actually respond to what people say and go off on your own tangents.

The fact that casual games sold better than core games on Wii or that core games sold better on PS3/360 is absolutely irrelevant.

if that is irrlevant then whats the point. THe fact is that the WII missed the TRULY important core games, thats all we were saying.

Thats fine, but what the hell does it have to do with the original statement i made that you quoted?

Seriously go back and look at this convo.

Me: Its a myth that Wii didnt have games aimed at core gamers.

You: but it had more casual games than core games

Me: cool, whats that have to do with anything?

You: lets not pretend casual games didnt dominate on Wii

Me: all i said was the Wii did have core games

Soundwave: Ya but PS3/360 had more and they sold better

Me: how is that related to what i said?

You: all were saying is that Wii missed out on alot of core games.

Literally none of your responses dispute what i said, i just dont understand how you can read my original post and come up with these replies.



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zorg1000 said:
oniyide said:

if that is irrlevant then whats the point. THe fact is that the WII missed the TRULY important core games, thats all we were saying.

Thats fine, but what the hell does it have to do with the original statement i made that you quoted?

Seriously go back and look at this convo.

Me: Its a myth that Wii didnt have games aimed at core gamers.

You: but it had more casual games than core games

Me: cool, whats that have to do with anything?

You: lets not pretend casual games didnt dominate on Wii

Me: all i said was the Wii did have core games

Soundwave: Ya but PS3/360 had more and they sold better

Me: how is that related to what i said?

You: all were saying is that Wii missed out on alot of core games.

Literally none of your responses dispute what i said, i just dont understand how you can read my original post and come up with these replies.

Actually I said it didn't have the core games that *mattered* to that audience. Big difference. 

Every platform under the sun has software aimed at "core" players there nothing special about that. iOS and Android do too. So it's kind of a pointless statement, it's like saying "well Wii had games on it" ... yes .... so did 3DO and Atari Jaguar and Playstation 2 and Turbo Grafx 16 and any random system you pick.



RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

Like I said above I don't need even a bleeding edge system, but wanting something that's even remotely modern is wrong now? Why is it that core gamers needs must be pretty much completely ignored for them to make something acceptable to beginners/casuals?

I would be OK with a 1 TFLOP NX ... that is even less performance than 4 year old XBox One which most people consider to be under-specced to begin with. No one's asking for a Nintendo PS4 Neo here. 

This is not asking for a lot. If you want to put some magic wonder-dildo controller in the box, hey have at it Nintendo, I'm not even saying they can't do that. 

Super Mario Bros. would not have been as good of a game had it ran on the Atari 2600. Super Mario World and Earthbound and Zelda: LttP and Final Fantasy VI would not be as good of games had they ran on the NES instead of Super NES. Mario 64 and GoldenEye and Zelda: OoT wouldn't run on a SNES period. Super Smash Bros. Melee or Metroid Prime wouldn't have been nearly as good of a game on the N64 versus GameCube. 

Being a full hardware generation behind has consequences for the types of games and experiences that can be had. 

You should have continued with the generations. The Wii offered new types of games and experiences despite its lack of a full generational jump for its hardware. That raises the question how important is processing power in this day and age. Console generations prior to the Wii could offer new types of games and experiences in large part due to the increased processing power, but since then it has been first and foremost about prettier coats for gameplay that we have already seen before.

There were many...MANY experiences that Nintendo couldn't do with Wii/3DS due to limited hardware. Background downloads? Nope, limited by a poor CPU. HD graphics? Not a chance. Heck, even Pikmin 3 on the Wii U lacked online due to CPU power. 

The New 3DS should be all the reason for Nintendo to care about not underpowering their systems. 



AZWification said:

           " In an interview with Nikkei Trendy, Takahashi says that the company has designed the NX to be an appealing product for both casual and core gamers and also addressed the subject of software droughts. Here’s what he had to say:
           
            "I can’t talk about this in detail yet, but we are aiming so that neither people who like games nor moms dislike it. I think that I want to release a game device that both customers who have much experience in gaming and customers who haven’t played much can enjoy greatly."

            " We are paying attention to that. Having said that, it isn’t about drastically increasing the amount of development staff. To be specific, software development teams and teams that create the development environment are thinking about the NX lineup together. Teams creating the development environment respond to that by considering ‘if we prepare an environment like this, then development will go smoothly’, and they actually discuss with development teams and hear their opinions and prioritize those things. We have built a stronger cooperative relationship compared to what is was before and are making efforts so that software can be developed smoothly."

            Nintendo tried doing that with the WiiU and it didn't turn all that well. We'll see soon enough if that the NX will do better in that regard.

            Link: https://mynintendonews.com/2016/08/21/nintendo-says-its-looking-to-appeal-to-both-causal-and-core-gamers-with-nx/

Kind of lost in all this conversation is you notice that Takahashi speaks of the NX in a singular term, again suggesting just one system.