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Soundwave on 24 August 2016
zorg1000 said:
Asriel said:
"Core" portable gamers and some "casual" smartphone users, sure. That binary is incredibly reductive, but I expect it's indicative of a strategy that will prioritise a low price point from day one, more Nintendo software, more often, and an emphasis on a mixture of third party support that'll capture family friendly stuff from the Western publishers (Skylanders, Lego, Just Dance) and core stuff from Japanese publishers (Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter etc).

I wouldn't be surprised if there are NX games that only utilise the touchscreen and gyro (perhaps an inbuilt launch title from Nintendo), and I also think there's a good chance Nintendo will have their smartphone games available on NX, too. The strategy will be to capture a large mobile audience, and convert a percentage of them into NX owners, while relying on their core audience for high software sales (and therefore decent profit margins if an expanded audience product falters) for franchises like Zelda etc.

Basically this, the hybrid/unified setup would allow for Nintendo to put all their software on a single platform while also having solid support from Japanese, indie & kid/family software.

Its not meant to compete with PS/XB for "core" gamers or iOS/Android for "casual" gamers, its meant to be an in between device that can appeal to both sides and isnt meant to replace those other devices.

I think they will have to go after some portion of the tablet users. 

Obviously they're going to get their ass kicked by Apple, but Apple only sells like 25% of the tablets on the market or less. Nintendo I think wants to claim a stake on some of the rest and start making money off Android apps. 



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zorg1000 on 24 August 2016
Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:

Basically this, the hybrid/unified setup would allow for Nintendo to put all their software on a single platform while also having solid support from Japanese, indie & kid/family software.

Its not meant to compete with PS/XB for "core" gamers or iOS/Android for "casual" gamers, its meant to be an in between device that can appeal to both sides and isnt meant to replace those other devices.

I think they will have to go after some portion of the tablet users. 

Obviously they're going to get their ass kicked by Apple, but Apple only sells like 25% of the tablets on the market or less. Nintendo I think wants to claim a stake on some of the rest and start making money off Android apps. 

ya they will try to appeal to tablet owners but its not like Nintendo is aiming to get people to stop playing games on tablets.



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Soundwave on 24 August 2016
zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:

I think they will have to go after some portion of the tablet users. 

Obviously they're going to get their ass kicked by Apple, but Apple only sells like 25% of the tablets on the market or less. Nintendo I think wants to claim a stake on some of the rest and start making money off Android apps. 

ya they will try to appeal to tablet owners but its not like Nintendo is aiming to get people to stop playing games on tablets.

Well NX may very BE a tablet, lol at this stage. They can't stop kids from playing tablet games, so they may as well make money off it and take a 30% cut (plus on NX they'd get a 100% cut of their own mobile game profits instead of having to give 30% to Apple and Google). 

If they're going to do this that's probably their smartest play at this point, embrace Android, stop trying to fight it, it is like trying to row a boat up stream.

If they can ship 10-15 million NX units a year + all the money they will make off mobile games in general + ancilliary money from things like movie licensing, they will make a good enough amount of money.  



PwerlvlAmy on 24 August 2016
zorg1000 said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
cant do that if eurogamer stuff is true.

I would really like to hear what makes you come to that conclusion.

pretty self explanatory and right there really. The Eurogamer is handheld focused mostly and doesnt really offer a good home console side that is capable of supporting any legit western third party. Handheld might be considered ''strong'', but that will only get you a bit of japanese support only. If Eurogamer rumors are true then it sounds like the console side will be even weaker than xbox one/ps4 and way weaker than scorpio and neo. No third party in their right mind from the west would want to support that.

 

Thats why I see the Eurogamer as not apealing to the ''core gamer'' like Nintendo is aiming for because the home console side would have zero appeal to those people



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Soundwave on 24 August 2016
PwerlvlAmy said:
zorg1000 said:

I would really like to hear what makes you come to that conclusion.

pretty self explanatory and right there really. The Eurogamer is handheld focused mostly and doesnt really offer a good home console side that is capable of supporting any legit western third party. Handheld might be considered ''strong'', but that will only get you a bit of japanese support only. If Eurogamer rumors are true then it sounds like the console side will be even weaker than xbox one/ps4 and way weaker than scorpio and neo. No third party in their right mind from the west would want to support that.

 

Thats why I see the Eurogamer as not apealing to the ''core gamer'' like Nintendo is aiming for because the home console side would have zero appeal to those people

You know the Wii, DS, Wii U, and 3DS were all underpowered too. 

Hopefully if a SCD unit allows for two Tegra X2s ... your TV performance could be pretty close to the base XB1/PS4. 

I'd be ok with that and it probably would be fairly cheap. 

Also, I mean Eurogamer is just reporting what they're hearing, it's not as if they're designing the system, it just kinda sounds that way from the way you throw around "Eurogamer". Like damn that Eurogamer, lol. 



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greencactaur on 24 August 2016

I think the NX will be marketed towards the 3DS crowd more then anything



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PwerlvlAmy on 24 August 2016
Soundwave said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

pretty self explanatory and right there really. The Eurogamer is handheld focused mostly and doesnt really offer a good home console side that is capable of supporting any legit western third party. Handheld might be considered ''strong'', but that will only get you a bit of japanese support only. If Eurogamer rumors are true then it sounds like the console side will be even weaker than xbox one/ps4 and way weaker than scorpio and neo. No third party in their right mind from the west would want to support that.

 

Thats why I see the Eurogamer as not apealing to the ''core gamer'' like Nintendo is aiming for because the home console side would have zero appeal to those people

You know the Wii, DS, Wii U, and 3DS were all underpowered too. 

Hopefully if a SCD unit allows for two Tegra X2s ... your TV performance could be pretty close to the base XB1/PS4. 

I'd be ok with that and it probably would be fairly cheap. 

Also, I mean Eurogamer is just reporting what they're hearing, it's not as if they're designing the system, it just kinda sounds that way from the way you throw around "Eurogamer". Like damn that Eurogamer, lol. 

Its eurogamers rumor, so obviously it would be ''damn that eurogamer'' since they're the ones with the supposed leaked details on it and its something that does not sound appealing really and it sounds like a suicidal move imo lol



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Soundwave on 24 August 2016
PwerlvlAmy said:
Soundwave said:

You know the Wii, DS, Wii U, and 3DS were all underpowered too. 

Hopefully if a SCD unit allows for two Tegra X2s ... your TV performance could be pretty close to the base XB1/PS4. 

I'd be ok with that and it probably would be fairly cheap. 

Also, I mean Eurogamer is just reporting what they're hearing, it's not as if they're designing the system, it just kinda sounds that way from the way you throw around "Eurogamer". Like damn that Eurogamer, lol. 

Its eurogamers rumor, so obviously it would be ''damn that eurogamer'' since they're the ones with the supposed leaked details on it and its something that does not sound appealing really and it sounds like a suicidal move imo lol

Well it's EuroGamer/IGN/MCV/Emily Rogers/Semi Accurate/NateDrake On NeoGaf/Wall Street Journal at this point, Eurogamer wasn't even first, Semi-Accurate reported the Nvidia Tegra thing before anyone else. 

Also the other silver bullet is Eurogamer described detachable controller wings, and we see a Nintendo recent patent for .... (whataya know) detachable controller wings from a tablet like device. That's a hell of a guess on Eurogamer's part if they're just guessing. 



COKTOE on 24 August 2016
Soundwave said:
sethnintendo said:

"I can’t talk about this in detail yet, but we are aiming so that neither people who like games nor moms dislike it. I think that I want to release a game device that both customers who have much experience in gaming and customers who haven’t played much can enjoy greatly."

 

Sounds like they are going back to the Wiimote.

Or something Kinect like, they have patents for infared sensors. 

It's basically a portable Wii U tablet with some Kinect like stuff built in and detachable controller wings from the sounds of it, with a modest hardware bump from Wii U. Wii U still used Wiimotes too, it's not like they were disowned, you couldn't really even play Nintendo Land (the pack-in title) without Wiimotes.

Modest hardware bump? Tablet? Infared Sensors?.....Detachable controller wings?!........KINNECT?!?! Sounds like a winning menagerie. I think I'll skip the launch day crowds. *cough, cough.



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zorg1000 on 24 August 2016
PwerlvlAmy said:
zorg1000 said:

I would really like to hear what makes you come to that conclusion.

pretty self explanatory and right there really. The Eurogamer is handheld focused mostly and doesnt really offer a good home console side that is capable of supporting any legit western third party. Handheld might be considered ''strong'', but that will only get you a bit of japanese support only. If Eurogamer rumors are true then it sounds like the console side will be even weaker than xbox one/ps4 and way weaker than scorpio and neo. No third party in their right mind from the west would want to support that.

 

Thats why I see the Eurogamer as not apealing to the ''core gamer'' like Nintendo is aiming for because the home console side would have zero appeal to those people

So you are claiming that a handheld console cannot under any circumstances appeal to both casual & core audiences? 

I would argue that 3DS has done a decent job of being a casual friendly & core friendly device.

Its has successful casual friendly titles like Animal Crossing: New Leaf (over 10 million), Tomodachi Life (over 5 million), Nintendogs+Cats (over 4 million), Happy Home Designer (over 3 million), Style Savvy: Trendsetters (over 1 million).

It also has many successful core games like Monster Hunter (3-4 million each), Legend of Zelda (avg. 3 million each), Fire Emblem (2 million each), Bravely Default (over 1 million), Kid Icarus (over 1 million)

It also has many games that appeal to both sides like Mario Kart, Pokemon, Smash Bros, 2D mario, etc. that have sold over 10 million.

Its kind of ridiculous to say a portable device cant appeal to casual & core gamers.



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