So what you are saying is that it doesn’t matter that Trump keeps his word in business because as President he will keep his word because the job is different.  Am I reading this right.  So Trump character as a business man means nothing for his bid to America as POTUS and we as a people should judge him on WHAT??  What exactly should I judge Trump if not how he does business because that shows exactly the character or the man, the ability for me as a voter to believe he will do what he says and that he is not saying things only to get my vote.  So if the business man will say whatever it takes to get business partner and associates to support or give him money but then he changes his word or renege on his contracts, exactly why would that change as POTUS.  You gave a heck of a lot of excuses but one thing you did not provide is a reason why any voter would just ignore how Trump does business.  Saying the jobs are different is correct but the MAN is not which is what we are basing our decision. So what should be measure Trump the man going for POTUS then what is publicly available to measure.

Personally, I have absolutely no idea where this paragraph is coming from.  The good thing about someone like Trump is that he loves the public eye and so there is quite a body of work on the man good and bad.  I have read, watch and observed Trump because he decided to go for POTUS.  Before Trump decided to go for POTUS I barely paid any attention to him so just like any responsible voter, I took the time to dig into Trump the man and I found him wanting.  I have no prejudice or discrimination against Trump.  I looked at his business deals, the things he supported, the words that he has said before and after going for POTUS.  I did and I am still doing what any responsible voter does when deciding who I will support for POTUS and research the person going for POTUS. So yes, I believe I can accuratly judge a person character when they so freely put it in the public eye.  This is the reason I have stated before neither Trump or Clinton will get my vote.

First and foremost, Trump tax return will show if he has been honest about his net worth.  It will show if his income is actually 400 million.  It will show if the time report is on the money or that he actually is in a lot of debt.  The returns would also show If Trump had overseas income or foreign bank accounts, his effective tax rate showing that as a billionare if he actually pay taxes like the average person on the street or does he pay nothing like the leaked tax documents showed.  Those tax returns can also show personal borrowing and investment activity.  So yes, there is a lot of information we can gain from Trump tax returns but the main thing you get is transparency.  The fact that Trump will not release returns that are not being audit should send all type of alarms with anyone looking to evaluate someone for POTUS.

I didn't say that. What matters in a business are legal contracts! Being a president is a more open ended job. Like I said, elections are not business as you are not appealing to people at their whim for profits ... 

Deep down nobody truly knows what a candidates feelings truly are so trying to even make a judgement on his personal identity is foolish. You should examine him for how well he can sell his platform and by "examine", I mean observing his strategy. A presidential candidate is doing a good job if they can sell their platform, there's no guarantee what happens next after their elected much like how there's always free speech but no guarantee from freedom of persecution in a few countries ... 

You can never truly judge anyone's disposition (you can only make an observation when there's bound to be blind spots) and not especially what goes down in a business deal, you can only measure how well he's selling his platform but it looks like your not buying it so let's leave it at that ... 

Tax returns don't show net worth, only a financial disclosure form will do that providing everything is given specific numbers. I didn't say his net income was 400 million, I specifically mentioned that it was his operating income. Trump is REQUIRED to list his overseas income on his financial disclosuure form and just because he might have money in a foreign bank account doesn't mean that the government has ownership of his money. You don't need a tax return to figure out if he's borrowing money, holding foreign assets (aside from homes or other very personal things) or even doing investment activity. Tax returns are a drop in a bucket compared to financial disclosure statements when the former only gives more details on charitable donations and specifically the taxes they've paid. Ross Perot didn't release his tax returns before the elections and he would've had a real chance at winning if it weren't for the threatening plot so I don't see why Trump is obligated to do the same when it could hurt his chances at selling his platform since the usual scrooge accusation could be thrown at him. He could release his tax returns after the election and you would still get the same amount of transparency, the only difference is when ... 

You can't possibly equate Trump's level of openness with Clinton's when he's far more accountable with his record than Clinton is since she tried to avoid prosecution at the highest level by deleting around 15000 emails while pinning the blame at someone else and colluded a nefarious plot with the Clinton Foundation compared to hiding his TAX RETURN ?!!! ... 

Not even wikileaks has any dirt on Trump!

Oh I have, this is not first Trump forum we've been on. Across several forums a multitude of people (myself included) have tried to reason with you. And all we get is , refer to previous comment. Which is not a attack it is a conclusion based on the aggregation of your comments about Donald and Hillary. If you're going to take your mantra so seriously maybe it should be "before I take the Splinter from my neighbors eye, I will remove the log from my own"

Bullcrap! Lame one or two liners does not make you a contributor in elaborative arguments and BTW this is the only "forum" where I speak of politics so the word you should've looked for is "threads" if you were so informed ... 

Instead of responding to me why not go educate yourself since you only exist to derail any part of discussions I participate in ... 

Plain and simple, I do not care about the openness of Clinton.  She has absolutly nothing to do with what Trump is responsible for.  He want to run for POTUS and he is giving nothing but excuses as to why he will not release his tax forms.  Throwing Hillary into the mix is only a way to try and deflect his responsibility. Trump has not been open on anything that he does.  He is not open about his business deals, he is not open about his medical history / record and he isn't open about his Tax returns even though he could easily post the ones that are not under audit.  Finaicial disclosure do not show everything, its only one half of the equation.  Even the stuff Trump released in his disclosure only show revenue not income.  Trump is obligated to show full disclosure and it will matter to the demographic he needs in order to win.  So while you can give all the excuses you want for Trump, if he want to be like Ross Perot then he better get ready to release those returns.

The reason why Turmp should release his taxes is because it gives transparency into the things I listed before.  No one care what Ross Perot did because he was not representing either the Democrates or Republicans and he lost.  This is another sign that you choose to take the excuse instead of asking why we need to wait unil after the election.  That makes absolutly no sense because we already went down the character line.  He is already on record saying he would release his returns multiple times but when its time to deliver we get the excuses even though he can release his returns that are not being audited.    Anyway, if he is seeking public office as he is, its his responsibility.  Waiting until after the election only means that he is hiding something.  

Also why is wikileaks needed for dirt on Trump to validate if there is dirt??  I do not need wikileaks since there is enough info on Trump using just plain old google.

He's not obligated to show his tax returns, he doesn't need any other excuse for that no matter what you say. It's not even in his duty to release tax returns. You're pretty much wrong about his business deals not being open when he's forced to show any business dealings on financial disclosure statements and tax returns don't even come close to giving you the same amount of information like when you accused him of having connections to Russia for not releasing his tax returns even though none of his assets or liabilities listed any LOL ...

FYI, I didn't imply Trump should copy Ross Perot's results in the election, just his support before the threatening plot and Ross was doing fine without releasing his tax returns ... 

It's funny to see you paint Trump's tax returns as if it's the pandora's box even though the IRS is forced to look what's inside of it to check for anything illegal and they found nothing nefarious in it ... 

Wikileaks not having any info on Trump just means that he has far less nefarious things to hide compared to the government ... 

Trump and his mob ties. Interesting read for those interested.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-mob-organized-crime-213910

He knows he's not going to win the general election. He has an exit plan in place that will minimize the damage to his brand; namely by claiming that the election process was rigged against him from the start with ample help from the media.

He's already monetizing through his campaign; he started his campaign self financed, renting his own properties to use for the campaign, paying himself the minimal on rent to cut costs until the campaign began running off of individual, GOP party and business interest contributions, at which point he raised the rent on his properties his campaign was using by multiple times over.

He's essentially using campaign contributions to recoup what he spent before receiving the GOP nomination in addition to redistributing portions of those party contributions to family members since they are campaign managers.