Let me ask you fatslob exactly why you think Trump does not bring his own brand of corruption to the office.  You seem to easily criticize HC for her corruption but then again seem to give a pass to the obvious corruption Trump has done within his own business.  From Trump University to Trump Institute.  This link shows exactly the type of promise big but not deliver Trump has done for years in his business.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/how-trump-broke-his-promise-fund-major-charitable-foundation

This is not some isolated incident as I have found multiple such deals where Trump has promised to do something even draw up contracts and when it’s time to pay up does not deliver or just plain refuse do honor the agreements and tell the people to sue him.

I cannot understand your stance in one breath talking about all the corruption HC has done but seem to totally ignore the same if not worst corruption Trump has done as well.  How can you state you are for getting rid of this type of corruption in our government but then is willing to just substitute another one but only difference is this one is the biggest con man out of the bunch.

Trump is apparently also basically taking money intended for his campaign and pocketing it for himself by using ponzi-like schemes like increasing the rent threefold on his own campaign offices:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-campaign-rent_us_57bba424e4b03d51368a82b9

This is actually kind of hillarious. 

I don't think Trump will entirely subdue corruption in the office. I criticize Clinton's corruption because she's granted higher power than a citizen like Trump is and she also decides to be A LOT less transparent about it. LOL, she was desperate enough to avoid persecution by pinning her email fiasco on someone else. Just goes to show you how much of a coward she can be and that's not a favourable trait from a leader no matter how anyone spins it. FYI, I dislike for profit education and Trump University is no different but that's the customer's fault for getting into their own shenanigans if they don't research the crap they buy ... 

As for the link, the judges ruled that no legally binding contract was formed so that's the plaintiffs fault for not legally securing their own claimed property ... 

Trump couldn't have ever been corrupt at least not in the political sense according to Wikipedia because his power as a regular citizen means that he's practically infallible to such accusations currently whereas Clinton on the other hand was a senator for eight years and the secretary of services for four years who was currying favours for the Clinton Foundation donors ... 

I don't know if I am totally getting rid of corruption because of how big the government already is but I'm willing to pick a clean slate over a scarred one and I especially respect our power in a democracy to replace the scourge or defecates who's interests are funded by others. Trump maybe a con artist for all I know but Clinton is a fucking shyster that continues to get a free pass ... 

Fatslob, you are making excuses.  Trump is a corrupt business man.  He is not just a con artist, his word is about as wortless as they come.  He lies like he doesn't know the truth and he cares absolutly nothing about who he hurts.  You really need to do your homework on Trump because it seems you are only looking at the TV and branded Trump instead of the actual man and his character which is well documented over the years.  There is absolutly nothing different from Trump then any other corrupt politician currently in office.  Instead you are looking to just put another one in office that has a different name and gender then the one that is running for the Democratic ticket.

The article I posted as I mentioned shows that Trump will promise people anything then renenged on his agreements once he gets what he want.  You also forget in that article that he had to settle mutiple times within that lawsuit but the real problem is how it went down not what the judge decided.  Saying that the letters he sent to those investors are not legal binding agreements does not asolve Trump from using underhanded means to get investment only to have no plans of following through.  Does not not sound exactly like his run for president.  He is promissing a hell of a lot of stuff but if you cannot trust his word since it means nothing, how can you ever believe he will follow through.

If a person is corrupt going into government and its very clear that Trump is very corrupt business man.  Hell he has over 5000 lawsuits against him on the very topic of the article I posted.  Why would anyone think he will bring anything new.  If anything the way he does business in the private sector he will bring eactly the same tactics in the public.  Trump is 70 years old doing every dirty handed thing in business to get an edge and make a buck.  Why would he ever change now and why would you believe just because he is not in politics he is a clean slate.  It really does not add up or make sense.  Corruption is corruption no matter how you convince yourself its different.  If you want to go different then go totally different and go independant.  I know this is the first year I am going independant and I suggest anyone who is against corruption think about making this a 3 party race instead of 2.

There's hardly such a thing known as "corrupt" in business since practically anything is fair game as far as their concerned when their end goal is obviously financial benefit so there's nothing dishonest in that. How every businessmen gets there is a different story and no I'm not making excuses for Trump when the idea of "corruption" is usually associated in politics for a very good reason since Trump is a man THAT'S NOT ENTRUSTED WITH HIGHER POWER FROM AUTHORITY! I've done my research and I've come to the conclusion that Trump is not a politician so how exactly am I looking to put in another corrupt career politician when he isn't even one ? 

You can ask the same thing for Clinton but the future is not guaranteed since circumstances change so using your own perception to predict an outcome of a chaotic system is just stupid when it can't be done especially over the long term. Clinton is also guilty of not fulfilling her promises too but the important question is how the hell do we know for sure that Trump or Clinton isn't secretly plotting a Hitleresque massive genocide ? I'd rather everybody believe in their own conscience instead of having the main stream media extort the shit out of potential voters ... 

You say 5000 lawsuits against Trump but that appears to be another perpetuated myth according to USA Today which listed about 1450 cases for him posing as a defendant and I don't see this 5000 number from the article you recently posted. Businesses themselves are trying to skirt the line of what is and what isn't legally acceptable like trying to put all profits into tax havens however that doesn't mean they don't get reprimanded when the laws allow for prosecutions but how do you figure that his business side is relevant when he has to deal with civil rights, crime, human capital, infrastructure, national security and immigration or anything not directly related to financials as a president ? (FYI congress gets to decide the budget.) So Trump never changes even though you guys claim that he back tracks on his promises ? Pick one or the other, don't just pull up another double standard ... 

As far as I'm concerned Trump is a clean slate when it comes to politics and corruption only applies to those in power yet he's NEVER been a government official. Trump is different enough to alienate a good portion of his own party's top officials that quite a few would coincidentally openly defect to Clinton. More parties isn't the answer to corruption if their all controlled from the same shadow, more opposition at the establishment/government is the only way we'll crash their party and I have some confidence that he'll bring anguish to the political elites ... 

Fatslob, are you telling me that a person word in business is fair game.  If you promise something, you ask people to trust you and you signed contracts to that trust that this is fair game.  Are you telling me that a person who does not value their word in business will suddenly value their word when they get in a position of power. I have no clue what school of business you are raised on but there is definitely ethics in business and how a person does business shows their character.  I have no idea what you think about when you do business with other people but I can definitely tell you if your word is fair game, no matter what you offered me I would never do business with you.  In business your word is your bond and if everyone believe your word means nothing, that at a drop of a hat you will make deals behind their back and sell them out then why would anyone do business with you.  

 The reason why his business side matters is because it shows his character.  Trump claim to fame when announcing his cadency for POTUS was his business IQ. As to how Trump will conduct himself in the President office, How can a person character not be one of the biggest reason you would trust someone in anything that they do.  This link is also pretty good on exactly what Trump is hiding.  The fact he will not release his taxes and not just the stuff that is being audit but even the ones that are not shows that there is a lot about Trump and his connections to the same governments, big money corporations, private partnerships, Russian money and tax haven banks we need some answers on.

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/nytimes-report-uncovers-trump-s-web-of-debt-748873795949

Here is anothe link where Trump has totally flip flopped on the wall at least depending on the audience he is speaking to.  In other words his word, the one that got him through the primaries now means nothing.  He said what was needed to get those votes not he is trying to play for the independants, latinos and black voters trying to play for their votes.

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/trump-campaign-s-mixed-message-on-immigration-748867139912

 For you information congress decides to ratify the budget but its the president and his aids who write it up and its the president who signs it into law as the last step.  No president signature no budget, nothing gets paid, things go into default exactly like Trump stated he would do.

In business, a man's word is of no guarantees. Only the legal contract matters. Moreover you make the implication Trump NEVER values his words at all so what makes you so sure he'll NEVER value his words in the position of power ? Nobody denies that there are ethics in business but you should NOT confer that the professional's life holds equivalency to their personal lives when the former is FAR MORE PRAGMATIC than the latter so one cannot make guarantees about the nature of a person based on their occupation. There's many jobs out there that constantly challenge ethics like executioners, weapon designers, advertising practioners, lawyers, politicians, salesmen, scientists, intelligence officers, manufacturing managers, animals farmers, and let's not forget of the unspeakable horrors of armed forces or hired mercenaries/assassains. Furthermore elections are NOT a business, it's a public activity that anyone can participate providing if their legal status allows it ...

How can you as an individual accurately judge a person's entire character without having any first hand experience ? What you and the other's are doing is hardly any different than the prejudice that gets exhibited in racial discrimination. I could make a fewimplications by pulling up a few statistics to demonize the shit out of a particular group to make generalizations but how would your judgement be anymore righteous when the end result is bigotry ? 

His tax returns won't show crap about his ties to governments or enough of it to raise an issue realtive to his competitor when he doesn't work with state owned enterprises. Not sure what the concern is with having relationships with big corporations when he has a far higher asset to liability ratio and he could easily kick off the vast majority of the listings in his liabilities since his operating income is well north of $400 million dollars! Your still bringning up the russian money myth even I debunked it with solid evidence ? 

As for him "flip flopping", you claim "totally" but he never once said he'd give absolute amnesty illegal immigrants ... 

The president signing one of HIS OWN proposals is trivial when congress has the power to block it. With or without Trump, we'll default either way since we can't fully pay our debt (Trump realizes this as well) unless they declared to cut off social security expenses or get another economic miracle ... 

Even though you claim to be an independent you don't seem to value weakening both your bigger enemies providing if you see the Democratic Party as an enemy in spite of the fact that their leading but if they blow the doors off this election it could effectively make the US a one party state since their only biggest opposition fell off the map and it'll be harder than ever to make change from within since superdelegates exist to discourage anyone outside the establishment. How even smaller parties will dare attempt to even gain comparable traction in the near or midterm future is hardly viable when history, support, and media don't back them up ... 

What exactly is your current allegiance ? 

Nothing you said makes any sense.  Completely devoid of contextual understanding and Nuance of the issues you're talking about. A superficial and warp understanding of any one topic. This is the Folly of all Trumpeters.

Why not make a real rebuttal instead stirring up a garbage response with an ad hominem attack and keep your crappy subjectivist fallacy out of it when it's an insult to those who actually put some effort ... 

I have yet to see you demonstrate anything more than confirmation bias ... 

If Trump thinks this is going to do him long term good then he's out of his mind... Moreso than we already believed.

For starters, the only people buying him up are the extreme right-wingers. The left have just been totally alienated and the center is a mish-mash of discontent. He'll probably get money from the extreme right wingers, but the loss of the rest will kill that momentum.

What really screws him over is that all this momentum he's building with the extreme right is going to fall apart after the election is over. ESPECIALLY if he doesn't win. If he loses, then it will all be for nothing and even his loyalists will turn on him.

The dumbest part of this whole thing is that Trump is killing the only form of income he was actually good for. His name. Before this election, people just remembered "Oh Donald Trump? He's that super successful business man, right?" So they bought the right to put his name on buildings. That was his business model. He sounds like a billionaire, so lets put his name on our building. THAT is gone now. NO ONE is unclear on Trump now.

I am quite certain that after this election, Trump will be RUINED—AGAIN!