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Death penalty?

Yes! 39 21.08%
 
No. 146 78.92%
 
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Norris2k said:
tak13 said:

You mean some states...Am I wrong?

As for Japan, yeah and they defend it strongly when they get scathed for that!

By the way, Japan has very low criminal rate, I wonder if it's because of it... I mean you don't want to risk your life by  commiting a crime, of course for a grave crime ( like murder or rape ) , I don't think you get executed, for example if  you steal jewelery, money e.t.c or burgling.

I live in Japan, and while I'm moderately in favor of death penalty, I don't think the low crime rate has anything to do with death penalty. As you wrote, it's not a sentence for stealing something, In fact most murders and rapes would not get you a death penalty, it's very limited, mostly to serial killing, horrible crimes, etc. To put it in perspective, there is about 1000 murder a year in Japan (that is very low) and no more than a few sentences a year.

By the way, there are a lot of reasons why Japan has a low criminal rates, and I believe one is a very conservative and punishing system regarding sentences, prisons, police rights. Death penalty is just a consequence of that.

Hmmmm, thank you so much for the detailed reply! I was wondering if it's because of it or a cultural, maybe its  the second as another member said ( howbeit, I still believe that death penantly must be related to some extent  to that ) .

! We all know how wonderful people are Japanese! ( Satoru Iwata is  a great example <3 )

Japanese for me are magnanimous, kind-hearted, reverent, responisble, moral and extremely loyalists and very strict where it's needed! I could say more positive things about them!

 

P.s When I said murder, I was talking about just  intentional/premeditated murder and generally grave crimes!

1000 per year? Japanese prisons must be  empty...lol



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Ganoncrotch said:

Pretty much my feelings on this matter, if there is a person who literally only does damage to the world and those in it I would rather see them quickly and cheaply removed from the planet.
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The problem is, there is no way to justly murder criminals "quickly and cheaply".  A fair murder of a prisoner means years in expensive high-security prisons while they exhaust a litany of appeals, sometimes with legal defence staff paid for by the government.  If you're going to murder someone, it's got to be perfect.  So to the cheapest way to do it is lock them up and throw away the key.  That's also the quickest way, as that ends the media circus around the case.  So your concerns lend themselves only to an argument against capital punishment, IMO.



Azuren said:
I live in the US, specifically in Texas. Unsurprisingly, I support my country's use of the death penalty. There are some out there who are just not worth trying to save (like the guy who repeatedly slammed a 5 month old infant against the sidewalk... Fuck 65 years, just kill him).

Keeping a person incarcerated is expensive, and I'd rather not have my tax dollars feed and clothe monsters that I would personally pass the death sentence on.

I don't find it necessarily unsurprising that you support the death penalty.  I live in British Columbia, but don't believe in cutting down old growth forests, not everyone who lives in Washington State wears socks and sandals, not everyone who lives in Alberta believes in destroying their province by exploiting the oil sands, etc.  The world is full of amazing diversity.  :)

Keeping a person incarcerated is cheap compared to keeping someone in a death row institution.  The last time I saw statistics, California paid an average of $308 million for every person they murdered on death row (taking death row costs divided by the number of people actually murdered).  The death row institutions are vastly more expensive than other prisons, the legal costs are far more expensive as a free and fair society generally doesn't want to murder its citizens without letting them exhaust all legal means to protest their innocence, etc.  Death row is about a public's desire for vengeance, not against responsible management of public finances.  Unless you want a guilty-until-proven-innocent kangaroo court, a system where some people are ultimately murdered on behalf of the public will always cost more than locking people up and throwing away the key.

Then there are the postumous pardons as new evidence comes to light, which has been common in recent years with new DNA evidence.  No system of murdering people is perfect, to murder anyone you have to accept that some innocent people will be murdered.  I don't accept that.

Finally, whatever happened to two wrongs don't make a right?  One of the first lessons most of us learn as children.  I'm often amazed that those who believe "Thou shalt not kill" seem to not apply it to the government murdering on their behalf.  It's not "Thous shalt not kill...  unless they do something you strongly disagree with, and then it's cool."

EDIT TO ADD:  If anything, the fact that the death penalty is ruinously bad for public finances, I might expect someone from Texas to be deeply concerned about that.  Texas' reputation is both fiscal conservative (save money), and socially conservative (which is where "thou shalt not kill" should be kicking in).  I know that a lot of Texans seem to support the death penalty, but that seems wildly anachronistic to their other beliefs.  Perhaps there isn't a lot of education in Texas as to the true nature of the death penalty.  *shrug*



WolfpackN64 said:
In Belgium, no. The death penalty is worthless.

We don't even have lifetime sentence.



Dunban67 said:
i am for the death penalty but as it exist in the US it does not work to prevent crime but it does work well as a negotiating tool for prosecuters

The main reason the death penalty does not work as a deterent today is it takes so many years between being sentenced and actual administering and relative to the number of crimes comitted that are eligible for the death penalty, it is quite rare and infrequent that it is actually used

Honestly public hanging would work far better as a deterent-

Psychologists tell us...  and it makes a tonne of sense...  that the death penalty is not any kind of deterrent to the kinds of crimes that prosecutors seek the death penalty for.

Most crimes where the proesecution asks for the suspect to be put to death are for crimes of desperation, or crimes of passion.  You kill your partner in a fit of rage, you do a violent crime (and someone gets hurt) because you're desperately poor, etc.  For those kinds of crimes, generally *no* punishment could be any kind of deterrent, because the person is not acting in a cold and calculated fashion, they're acting out of passionate impulsiveness.  And if they *are* doing that kind of crime in a cold and calculating way, then they're likely a sociopath and that's another kind of criminal where no punishment is going to act as any kind of real deterrent.

Public hangings, if anything, might embolden some potential criminals because they're lonely and/or wrong in the head and may appreciate the notoriety of their anticipated punishment.



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scrapking said:

Ganoncrotch said:

 Pretty much my feelings on this matter, if there is a person who literally only does damage to the world and those in it I would rather see them quickly and cheaply removed from the planet.
[...]

The problem is, there is no way to justly murder criminals "quickly and cheaply".  A fair murder of a prisoner means years in expensive high-security prisons while they exhaust a litany of appeals, sometimes with legal defence staff paid for by the government.  If you're going to murder someone, it's got to be perfect.  So to the cheapest way to do it is lock them up and throw away the key.  That's also the quickest way, as that ends the media circus around the case.  So your concerns lend themselves only to an argument against capital punishment, IMO.

I more meant such as in some of the Middle East countries where alcohol is illegal the police have been known to execute on the roadside in cases, just right there, done and dusted, judge jury and executioner.

I of course fear a ton about that sort of a system when it comes to corruption in the slightest even down to a single individuals choice to kill, but I as a person who doesn't terrorize others feel that there should well be a system in place here that over a certain amount of convictions and that is it, just once the last warrent is out for your arrest the officer who would find you just, gun to the head, bang, stick the body in a bin bag.

Should point out that our legal system is so fucking worthless (most law enforcement bringing less than a stick with them) that we now have massive issues with drugs, prostitutes and worse going on here because at worst the criminals are getting a slap on the wrist for some of the most horrific crimes.

we get shit like this

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cork-man-jailed-for-12-years-for-horrific-sustained-attack-on-woman-723253.html

From "He has ten previous convictions including one for assaulting an ex-partner and two for breaching barring orders."

so it leads now to where just recently we had this, mostly because people have no fear of destroying others lives because they'll be out before this old woman has died of old age or fear...

http://www.thejournal.ie/rape-2-2895090-Jul2016/

Seriously... she was 73 years old, that person I would just shoot directly in the head, fuck wasting courts time, just bullet, head, bin bag, done.

 

Edit - Just to clarify because it came up in another thread before, I literally mean if you gave me a Gun and it was legal to do I wouldn't bat an eyelid being the one to pull the trigger on either of these 2 monsters.



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California has the death penalty and needs to use it.

Murderers should get no respect. Get it over with.



RenCutypoison said:
WolfpackN64 said:
In Belgium, no. The death penalty is worthless.

We don't even have lifetime sentence.

In Belgium you guys instead kill old people, sick people, or mentally ill people. They just call it "euthanasia."



McDonaldsGuy said:
RenCutypoison said:

We don't even have lifetime sentence.

In Belgium you guys instead kill old people, sick people, or mentally ill people. They just call it "euthanasia."

Seriously? Euthanesia is death by choice, it's not murder.



WolfpackN64 said:
McDonaldsGuy said:

In Belgium you guys instead kill old people, sick people, or mentally ill people. They just call it "euthanasia."

Seriously? Euthanesia is death by choice, it's not murder.

Committing a murder is also a choice, you do realize that right? When a murderer murders, s/he accepts the death penalty.