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Who is making the NX GPU

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Iwata said in his 2013 briefing that the next system after Wii U would absorb it's architecture, IMO this can only mean that NX will use AMD technology.

Eurogamer has been wrong about final Nintendo device hardware with the DS2, which they insisted was using an Nvidia GPU, but it ended up being nothing more than a placeholder for the 3DS's final processor.
The rumors about Nvidia don't make much sense, given that NVidia have outright stated that they are interested in the Self Drive and AI markets, but not the mobile gaming market outside of their GTX 1000 series GPU products being used in gaming laptops.
Nvidia hasn't said anything about making or stockpiling a bunch of Tegra X1 processors for some unreleased product or any other device, which would need chips in the millions for the release of a new device in 2017.

The rumors insist that Nintendo got some ridiculous at cost or loss making deal from NVidia, when companies want to make money, not make a loss on a product.
Nintendo would be the one in need here, not Nvidia, so it makes no sense for Nvidia to be begging for a foot in the door of dedicated gaming market.
NVidia has great relationships with 3rd party developers, they could just as easily release a successor to their last shield devices and get some exclusives for those devices to push them into the dedicated gaming space, but that hasn't happened, most likely they don't feel the market is worth it, given their own sales on tablets and other devices it makes little sense for them to really care about the market when they have bigger fish to fry, like expanding the gaming laptop market.

AMD have been a partner with Nintendo, providing them with their hardware for a number of console generations, it's been proven that IBM PowerPC CPU tech can be emulated on something as weak as an AMD Jaguar CPU and there would be basically no need for emulation of the Wii U GPU going to Polaris or some older GPU architecture from AMD.
14nm Finfet will be significantly more efficient than what was in the Wii U.

It's only Tegra X1 that's been rumored to be in these supposed NX Dev Kits, sure it's overclocked, but that doesn't rule out an AMD 14nm Arm processor being used in the final system.

AMD would likely be more cost competitive, they have more experience in the console gaming market, even Zen could be used in a console if NX has a more fixed home device, it could just be used on an MCM like Wii U's processor layout was.
AMD provides the technology for the competition, which developers appear to have been pretty happy with.

Overall there seems to be a lot pointing to AMD, sure Nvidia's tech is more powerful, efficient, but there's nothing official pointing to NVidia being interested or even having any actual ties to the dedicated gaming device market.
As far as I've seen there's no hint that any of the media have their own unique sources confirming Nvidia as the final SOC maker, they all seem to come from the same source.

AMD has confirmed they have a bunch of design wins for the semi-custom market, which basically confirms a dedicated gaming product or products that are yet to be announced are being developed by them.
NVidia would need to have confirmed any major business deals with such a company as Nintendo to their investors as this will effect their stock price, to not do so is holding back vital information that shareholders need to know and that isn't good business, NVidia doesn't like ticking off their shareholders.

Eurogamer, WSJ, etc are just posting rumors, they're not legit, they've certainly been wrong about this stuff and in order to buy their rumors you have to ignore Occam's Razor.

The simplest answer is the most likely, Iwata said the next Nintendo system would absorb Wii U architecture, Nintendo has a great relationship with AMD, they've used them for years, in multiple platforms and their modern tech also brings the necessary efficiency levels to put at least Wii U levels of performance into a handheld, if not more than that for a portable device.
Nintendo also doesn't bank on the most powerful tech per watt, even when their console requires low power.
Nintendo likes cheap technology.

Using Nvidia actually goes against all of this.
AMD makes a lot more sense for Nintendo.



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Miyamotoo said:
JEMC said:

The way Eurogamer described the dev kits, it makes it impossible to have AMD GPUs. They would need a device with fans, and by the Eurogamer article, only one of the dev kits had it.

What I said was not that they needed the Tegra X1 for its ARM processor, but for its combination of ARM and desktop GPU architecture. That's the key point, the combination of both worlds.

So those new dev kits come rom an insider... ok. If you want to believe it, then good for you, but please don't use it as facts.

Lastly, since when are the Tegra X1 in those NX dev kits overclocked? The Eurogamer article didn't said anything about that.

We talking about dev kits, not final product, even X1 dev kit for NX has fans, that doesnt mean that NX itself will have fans.

Yes, but like I wrote it doesn't make any sense to use Tegra X1 dev kit like combination of ARM and desktop architecture, beacuse Nvidia mobile Tegra X1 GPU and for instance PS4/XB1 console AMD GPUs are totally different things, not to mentione that Tegra X1 is not desktop GPU architecture its mobile architecture.

I didnt use that like fact, I am yet not sure about X2, but I am almost sure about Tegra X1 at least.

Its speculated that is overclocked because NX X1 dev kit is actively cooled with with audible fan noise.

You are mixing the stories. Form the Digital Foundry side of the article:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nintendo-nx-mobile-games-machine-powered-by-nvidia-tegra

"There's an additional wrinkle to the story too, albeit one we should treat with caution as it is single-source in nature with a lot of additional speculation on our part. This relates to the idea that the Tegra X1 in the NX development hardware is apparently actively cooled, with audible fan noise. With that in mind, we can't help but wonder whether X1 is the final hardware we'll see in the NX. Could it actually be a placeholder for Tegra X2? It's a new mobile processor Nvidia has in its arsenal and what's surprising about it is how little we actually know about it."

Only one of the dev kits has a fan, one, which is also the one used to speculate about NX using something more powerful than a Tegra X1 (and that confirms that those are not final dev kits).

How does one, from the undisclosed number of sources, dev unit becomes the standard? Oh, I know, internet speculation.



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JustBeingReal said:

AMD have been a partner with Nintendo, providing them with their hardware for a number of console generations, it's been proven that IBM PowerPC CPU tech can be emulated on something as weak as an AMD Jaguar CPU and there would be basically no need for emulation of the Wii U GPU going to Polaris or some older GPU architecture from AMD.

If you are basing that PowerPC emulation on the Xbox One's, Xbox 360 emulation then you might be surprised.

We know there is *some* emulation happening, Microsoft is also likely employing Binary translation, the games are also being completely repackaged in combination with some clever abstraction in a virtualised environment, but don't assume there is proper full emulation going on.

Emulation also requires substantual software engineering, in-case you aren't aware, this is Microsoft's strength, Sony and Nintendo can't hold a candle to Microsoft in this area.

JEMC said:
My heart says AMD, my brain says Nvidia.

Whatever is it, tho, I hopes it's a noticeable improvement over what Wii U can do.

This.

Soundwave said:

 

Not sure why people even have that much of a hard-on from AMD ... Nvidia GPUs seem to outperform AMD most of the time from the benchmarks I've seen, AMD also doesn't have a credible mobile processor tech ... Nvidia does with Tegra. 


Actually, AMD has been able to get it's VLIW and GCN GPU architectures down to Tegra levels of power consumption.

You know "Adreno" that Qualcom uses? Re-arrange the letters and it spells out "Radeon".
Adreno is derived from AMD's technology, AMD still holds a ton of patents and design philosophies related to that chip even today, not to mention allot of the engineering talent that was responsible for Adreno's original design to start with.

PC Benchmarks are one thing as developers don't tend to target to the hardwares various nuances to obtain better performance on the PC.
For instance, AMD typically beats nVidia in anything that uses Async compute, if Polaris launched in a year or two's time, it would have been a far more praise-worthy GPU.

Soundwave said:

NX is a hybrid console, a mobile processor is neccessary for this, Nvidia has Tegra .... AMD has jack shit in that regard (Mullins ... I guess which they're not even working on). 

Again too from everything I've seen Nvidia simply makes better products than AMD. 

Not exactly.

Remember that all of AMD's APU's are built at 28nm, not 14nm.
Excavator FX-9800P which is built at 28nm has a TDP of 15w, 2.7-3.6ghz Dual Module/4 Integer cores, 512GCN cores (Granted only GCN 1.2/Gen 3) @ 758mhz (776 Gflop.)

The shift to 14nm brought with it gains of 2x - 2.5x, you could be looking at 6-7w of power for a reworked Excavator chip with better power states, gating and implement/improve the resonant clock mesh.

And that will give you more performance than Tegra.

As for nVidia being better than AMD, in some aspects, sure. But not in all, AMD and nVidia constantly leapfrog each other, AMD can out-perform nVidia in more modern games using Direct X 12.
The Radeon 9000, x1000, 4000, 5000, 7000 series were likely considered AMD's best lineups.

Soundwave said:

Again not even sure why people think AMD is good. Nvidia makes better GPUs flat out, the only reason Sony/MS use AMD is because AMD is willing to give them their shoddier tech for cheap.

But Nintendo likely is scoring a sweet deal for the Tegra technology since Nvidia hasn't found other takers for it (no one needs a tablet that powerful and autonomous cars is a niche market for another 3-4 years at least). So that likely isn't an issue either.

There is no such thing as a "bad" GPU, only a bad price.

Remember that consoles are cost sensitive devices, you aren't going to have a $1000 Titan or Fury X graphics card powered by an Intel Extreme edition processor.
AMD typically has a price advantage, which is why console manufacturers tend to choose AMD.

Besides, saying that nVidia's GPU's are better than AMD when the GPU in question is going to be a tiny underpowered Tegra chip is pretty damn laughable, it's tablet levels of performance you are talking about here, not high-end desktop parts.

Qwark said:

AMD delivers good GPU's but terrible drivers for windows, they score better lately. Anyways PC benchmarks for graphical cards don't equal those  on console, mainly due to the dedicated API. Besides graphical cards are more than flops.

The drivers are unlikely to be a point of contention on a console.

Besides, AMD's drivers I have no problems with anymore... If we were to go back to the Rage Fury MAXX days... Then you will have something to complain about. ;)


Soundwave said:

Other discussions I've seen on NeoGaf are interesting too, like the tiling aspect of Nvidia's tech (Pascal) could allow Nintendo to use much less embedded DRAM or other kind of high speed RAM. Right now they need to use a big chunk with AMD (32MB on Wii U), on Nvidia perhaps its possible they can get something similar performance wise with much less eDRAM, which would free up a lot of die space which is vitally important for hardware power. 

For a hybrid device that needs to run fairly high-end-ish video games, that alone could be a game breaker for Nintendo. Bandwidth is one of the key issues with mobile chips.

nVidia's tiled based rasterization didn't start with Pascal. It started with Maxwell... And that is only thanks to Tegra.

And it affords nVidia a degree of efficiency that AMD will not be able to compete with for at-least another couple of years, with that said.. AMD GPU's on a console can also use various tiled-based approaches to make use of embedded memory, in-fact Direct X 12 has a few features that take advantage of just that on the Xbox One.
The Xbox 360 for instance had 10Mb of eDRAM, which isn't enough to hold a 1280x720 4x multisampled raster, so a tiled based approach was used.

I am a firm believer of not wasting transisters on embedded memory, you are better to spend those transisters on functional units and back the chip with high-speed memory when it makes sense.

BlkPaladin said:
I put AMD because I believe they will use an AMD supplied ARM processor though I was reading about their ARM processors, and it doesn't eliminate that NVidia may be used to supply the graphics solution. It seems there was a supercomputer that was produced that used AMD's ARM tech and NVidia's graphic

AMD has had an ARM license for a long time now and have also built ARM chips for the server and embedded markets, they have the I.P.
They also did a substantual amount of work combining Graphics Core Next+x86+ARM in a hybrid chip before the project was scrapped due to cost cutting and reorgonization, but the chip was almost done.

Soundwave said:

If the XBox S has a new custom chip design inside of it (some people are saying it's a Polaris 11) ... that basically destroys the whole AMD theory, there's your three contract wins right there -- Scorpio, PS4 Neo, and XB1 S.

The Xbox One S is using a new chip that is different from the Xbox One, that can't be disputed.

The three contracts would likely be in reference to the Xbox One S, Scorpio and Neo.

JEMC said:

The Tegra X1 is a good compromise as it allows devs to start working on a machine with ARM processors and GPU architectures like those found in current PCs.

Didn't realise I had an ARM CPU in my PC. ;)



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Airaku said:
Miyamotoo said:
Loking at this poll its seems lotsa people missed Eurogamer article about NX that later was confirmed buy multiple reliable sites.

So we have Eurogamers infos that saying NX is using Nvidia X1 chip, also those Eurogamer infos are confirmed by multiple reliable sites.
On other hand nothing point that NX using AMD, so at this point its almost certain NX will have Nvidia chip.

According to Yahoo Finance you are wrong. AMD has, according to this "won an order for Nintendo’s upcoming console, codenamed “NX.”" It's interesting how this say's console. All the Tegra articles make a mention about a handheld. These are two different sets of rumors for two different consoles which go under the same code name. ibtimes reported on recent job listings by NoA looking to market a Handheld device and another for a Console.

It seems like a lot of people are behind on the rumors. I think the question should be asking which member of the NX family will be using a GPU provided by whom? Right now, it's all speculation. However a lot of the rumors and reports contradict each other unless we take into the account the possibilities of multiple systems. At this point we start to see a clear picture.

This ^^^^^^^^^^ a thousand times THIS!!! There seem to be quite a few people here discarding the fact that Nintendo is hiring for two separate marketing positions - why would they do this if it were one console? There are very seemingly two separate NX devices, a console and a hybrid, we should probably look at all of the more recent rumors in full rather than dismissing certain pieces.

But guys, what if the code name NX is just Nintendo being lazy and using Nvidia X(insert 1 or 2 here) as the acronym for it? Maybe it was right in front of our faces all along. We just couldn't put the pieces together. Here is another thought though. What if the AMD chip is for the supplemental computing device that we have seen pop up in patents? Maybe while on the go, the thing runs just the NVidia chip, but then when plugged into the dock at home with the supplemental computing device (Which may BE the dock, despite the cloud talk we have seen as well) the more powerful GPU takes over and makes everything just that much more awesome? Just some crazy over the top thinking on my part.

Lastly, I think that the news outlets may be wrong about this detachable controllers so that two peeople can play thing. I think that they may have misinterpreted something that was reported to them, and the detachable parts are actually to make the controller customizable, not to break them off and have two completely separate controllers. Only time will tell, but everything seems to be pointing to the controller just being modular, no patents have come through showing the sides completely coming off. I wish there were a surprise reveal planned for Gamescom, but I fear we will have to wait until next month to learn anything about it. : /



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Regarding all this real quick - there is a new article with Nintendo News (and they have only been reporting on things AFTER sourcing to make sure pretty legit) that the NX IS going to use the Tegra X2 (Codenamed Parker) and if that is true, it is more powerful than the Xbox One and the PS4

 

Edit, sourcing: http://segmentnext.com/2016/08/17/report-nintendo-nx-is-using-tegra-x2-chip-more-powerful-than-x1/

                          https://mynintendonews.com/2016/08/17/rumour-nintendo-nx-to-use-tegra-x2-chip/



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JustBeingReal said:
Iwata said in his 2013 briefing that the next system after Wii U would absorb it's architecture, IMO this can only mean that NX will use AMD technology.

Eurogamer has been wrong about final Nintendo device hardware with the DS2, which they insisted was using an Nvidia GPU, but it ended up being nothing more than a placeholder for the 3DS's final processor.
The rumors about Nvidia don't make much sense, given that NVidia have outright stated that they are interested in the Self Drive and AI markets, but not the mobile gaming market outside of their GTX 1000 series GPU products being used in gaming laptops.
Nvidia hasn't said anything about making or stockpiling a bunch of Tegra X1 processors for some unreleased product or any other device, which would need chips in the millions for the release of a new device in 2017.

The rumors insist that Nintendo got some ridiculous at cost or loss making deal from NVidia, when companies want to make money, not make a loss on a product.
Nintendo would be the one in need here, not Nvidia, so it makes no sense for Nvidia to be begging for a foot in the door of dedicated gaming market.
NVidia has great relationships with 3rd party developers, they could just as easily release a successor to their last shield devices and get some exclusives for those devices to push them into the dedicated gaming space, but that hasn't happened, most likely they don't feel the market is worth it, given their own sales on tablets and other devices it makes little sense for them to really care about the market when they have bigger fish to fry, like expanding the gaming laptop market.

AMD have been a partner with Nintendo, providing them with their hardware for a number of console generations, it's been proven that IBM PowerPC CPU tech can be emulated on something as weak as an AMD Jaguar CPU and there would be basically no need for emulation of the Wii U GPU going to Polaris or some older GPU architecture from AMD.
14nm Finfet will be significantly more efficient than what was in the Wii U.

It's only Tegra X1 that's been rumored to be in these supposed NX Dev Kits, sure it's overclocked, but that doesn't rule out an AMD 14nm Arm processor being used in the final system.

AMD would likely be more cost competitive, they have more experience in the console gaming market, even Zen could be used in a console if NX has a more fixed home device, it could just be used on an MCM like Wii U's processor layout was.
AMD provides the technology for the competition, which developers appear to have been pretty happy with.

Overall there seems to be a lot pointing to AMD, sure Nvidia's tech is more powerful, efficient, but there's nothing official pointing to NVidia being interested or even having any actual ties to the dedicated gaming device market.
As far as I've seen there's no hint that any of the media have their own unique sources confirming Nvidia as the final SOC maker, they all seem to come from the same source.

AMD has confirmed they have a bunch of design wins for the semi-custom market, which basically confirms a dedicated gaming product or products that are yet to be announced are being developed by them.
NVidia would need to have confirmed any major business deals with such a company as Nintendo to their investors as this will effect their stock price, to not do so is holding back vital information that shareholders need to know and that isn't good business, NVidia doesn't like ticking off their shareholders.

Eurogamer, WSJ, etc are just posting rumors, they're not legit, they've certainly been wrong about this stuff and in order to buy their rumors you have to ignore Occam's Razor.

The simplest answer is the most likely, Iwata said the next Nintendo system would absorb Wii U architecture, Nintendo has a great relationship with AMD, they've used them for years, in multiple platforms and their modern tech also brings the necessary efficiency levels to put at least Wii U levels of performance into a handheld, if not more than that for a portable device.
Nintendo also doesn't bank on the most powerful tech per watt, even when their console requires low power.
Nintendo likes cheap technology.

Using Nvidia actually goes against all of this.
AMD makes a lot more sense for Nintendo.

Iwata that said in January 2013, more than 3 and half years late lots a thing changed, same goes for some Nintendo plans.

Eurogamer reported that 3DS using Nvidia dev kits, and they were right, 3DS rely early used Nvidia kits, but Nintendo ditch them because they did not deliver promised. Huge difference is that Eurogamer have that info for 3DS 16 months before launch, for NX they gave infos 7 months before launch, huge difference.

Nvidia can't comment anything about NX chip if they are under strong Nintendo NDA, and we already know that NX NDA is very strong, we are 6 months before launch and nothing is confirmed expert march release date.

Only one rumors saying that Nvidia gave good offer to Nintendo. Nvidia most likely want to be on console market again and to have platform that will market their Tegra chip, I dont see what exactly here is hard to believe.

Actually rumours is that Nvidia canceled new K1 Tegra Shield because of Nintendo NX.

Fact that AMD was partner doesn't mean nothing if Nvidia has better mobile chips and better deal for Nintendo.

Maybe, but most likely Nintendo is using whole Tegra X1 chip with ARM cpu cores.

Nvidia has much better and suitable mobile chips than AMD, basically X1 or new X2 can be in handheld and can be used for hybrid concept for playing on TV. Like I wrote, it not hard to imagine that Nvidia offer good deal to Nintendo.

 

Actually nothing goes in favour of AMD, only thing you can say is that AND anuched design wins and nothing more, we dont have one single information pointing that AMD will be in NX. On other hand we have infos from multiply sources and sites stating NX using NVidia.

Eurogamer and WSJ and some other posting infos they heard from their own sources, and when post informations like that they are very confident about infos they posting, they don't posting every random rumour they hear, thats why they are considered for reliable sources.

Also Nintendo is changing, they are going on big internal and external changes at Nintendo, so saying what Nintendo loves or not do, in this case is very weak argument.



In January 2014 (this is after his Jan 2013 comments obviously) Iwata said this:

“Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors mightincrease. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform.

Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment.

 

Sounds like between 2013 and 2014 they did a lot of experimentation, and by 2014 they were considering a hybrid device, because by Jan 2014 suddenly he doesn't know anymore if they need one device or multiple. My guess is over time Nintendo couldn't resist the hybrid idea, they probably fell in love with the design/possibilities once they prototyped a unit. 



JEMC said:
Miyamotoo said:

We talking about dev kits, not final product, even X1 dev kit for NX has fans, that doesnt mean that NX itself will have fans.

Yes, but like I wrote it doesn't make any sense to use Tegra X1 dev kit like combination of ARM and desktop architecture, beacuse Nvidia mobile Tegra X1 GPU and for instance PS4/XB1 console AMD GPUs are totally different things, not to mentione that Tegra X1 is not desktop GPU architecture its mobile architecture.

I didnt use that like fact, I am yet not sure about X2, but I am almost sure about Tegra X1 at least.

Its speculated that is overclocked because NX X1 dev kit is actively cooled with with audible fan noise.

You are mixing the stories. Form the Digital Foundry side of the article:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nintendo-nx-mobile-games-machine-powered-by-nvidia-tegra

"There's an additional wrinkle to the story too, albeit one we should treat with caution as it is single-source in nature with a lot of additional speculation on our part. This relates to the idea that the Tegra X1 in the NX development hardware is apparently actively cooled, with audible fan noise. With that in mind, we can't help but wonder whether X1 is the final hardware we'll see in the NX. Could it actually be a placeholder for Tegra X2? It's a new mobile processor Nvidia has in its arsenal and what's surprising about it is how little we actually know about it."

Only one of the dev kits has a fan, one, which is also the one used to speculate about NX using something more powerful than a Tegra X1 (and that confirms that those are not final dev kits).

How does one, from the undisclosed number of sources, dev unit becomes the standard? Oh, I know, internet speculation.

I dont mixing stores, beacue that I wrote this "Its speculated that is overclocked because NX X1 dev kit is actively cooled with with audible fan noise".

If one dev kit is like that, that means all dev kits at that time were same.

 

 

 

dongo8 said:
Airaku said:

According to Yahoo Finance you are wrong. AMD has, according to this "won an order for Nintendo’s upcoming console, codenamed “NX.”" It's interesting how this say's console. All the Tegra articles make a mention about a handheld. These are two different sets of rumors for two different consoles which go under the same code name. ibtimes reported on recent job listings by NoA looking to market a Handheld device and another for a Console.

It seems like a lot of people are behind on the rumors. I think the question should be asking which member of the NX family will be using a GPU provided by whom? Right now, it's all speculation. However a lot of the rumors and reports contradict each other unless we take into the account the possibilities of multiple systems. At this point we start to see a clear picture.

This ^^^^^^^^^^ a thousand times THIS!!! There seem to be quite a few people here discarding the fact that Nintendo is hiring for two separate marketing positions - why would they do this if it were one console? There are very seemingly two separate NX devices, a console and a hybrid, we should probably look at all of the more recent rumors in full rather than dismissing certain pieces.

But guys, what if the code name NX is just Nintendo being lazy and using Nvidia X(insert 1 or 2 here) as the acronym for it? Maybe it was right in front of our faces all along. We just couldn't put the pieces together. Here is another thought though. What if the AMD chip is for the supplemental computing device that we have seen pop up in patents? Maybe while on the go, the thing runs just the NVidia chip, but then when plugged into the dock at home with the supplemental computing device (Which may BE the dock, despite the cloud talk we have seen as well) the more powerful GPU takes over and makes everything just that much more awesome? Just some crazy over the top thinking on my part.

Lastly, I think that the news outlets may be wrong about this detachable controllers so that two peeople can play thing. I think that they may have misinterpreted something that was reported to them, and the detachable parts are actually to make the controller customizable, not to break them off and have two completely separate controllers. Only time will tell, but everything seems to be pointing to the controller just being modular, no patents have come through showing the sides completely coming off. I wish there were a surprise reveal planned for Gamescom, but I fear we will have to wait until next month to learn anything about it. : /

I already answered him on that post.

"We talk about that already and like @Soundwave wrote, it's there speculation based just on AMD contract wins announcement AMD made few months ago, they don't have any actual info or source.

Eurogamer article, all sites and sources that confirmed that article saying NX is hybrid, so basically handheld but with base unit that will be used for playing on TV.

Job listing does not poiniting anything, because Nintendo this holiday season will still have handheld and home console, also Mini NES. It possible that all marketing leaders are moved to NX, and they now need new one for this holiday season.

Actually after Eurogamer release NX article, we had just confirmation of those infos from multiple sources, we didn't had any reliable article or source saying those infos are wrong or with contradictory infos."



Also Nvidia/Tegra probably DID have the 3DS contract. Using a completely different company's GPU as a "placeholder" makes little sense.

What likely happened is the Tegra chip at that time didn't meet Nintendo's power consumption goals and Nintendo scuttled the deal.

Nintendo likely is getting an incredibly deal from Nvidia now that they couldn't pass up.



Soundwave said:

In January 2014 (this is after his Jan 2013 comments obviously) Iwata said this:

“Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors mightincrease. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform.

Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment.

 

Sounds like between 2013 and 2014 they did a lot of experimentation, and by 2014 they were considering a hybrid device, because by Jan 2014 suddenly he doesn't know anymore if they need one device or multiple. 

 

Of Course, Nintendo just talked about plans and possibilities, nothing was set in stone, espacily talk from January 2013, from then definitely they were lotsa changed plans.