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Who is making the NX GPU

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JustBeingReal said:
Soundwave said:

In January 2014 (this is after his Jan 2013 comments obviously) Iwata said this:

“Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors mightincrease. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform.

Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment.

 

Sounds like between 2013 and 2014 they did a lot of experimentation, and by 2014 they were considering a hybrid device, because by Jan 2014 suddenly he doesn't know anymore if they need one device or multiple. My guess is over time Nintendo couldn't resist the hybrid idea, they probably fell in love with the design/possibilities once they prototyped a unit. 

You'll notice that IWata never once hinted that the number of devices that they were considering would be fewer than past generations of Nintendo hardware, why even bring up the point that numbers could increase?

It hints that Nintendo were considering an approach that allows them to be flexible and that they wanted the process of making games for their chosen devices to be as simple and cost effective as possible, working in a way that allowed them to put their games on more than one device or at least allow them to port portions of games over (like Assets) easily, so that the amount of work needed would be less than it has been in past generations.

Making a single device that does all things doesn't really do anything but limit you, this is a technical fact, because technology has it's limits.

 

Highlighting points is basically cherrypicking, we should take the whole post as fact, not tiny portions of it.

The Eurogamer, WSJ and Semi-Accurate claims are just that, when put under scrutiny they don't make much sense, least of all from the standpoint that matters most (which is business), Nvidia doesn't make money here or they make very little, which would go against the whole point of getting into a market.

It would actually make more sense if Nintendo had more options for different customers, because then NVidia could potentially make more money and dangling a loss leader at Nintendo's face would make sense over the long haul, because in the end they would make money, but that's not what the rumors even say is happening, not the ones relating to NVidia anyway.

A business world where only Nintendo makes out in this deal makes absolutely no sense, especially where they're the ones in need, NVidia certainly aren't desparate for business, they're selling their new GPUs ridiculously fast and now they're basically becoming known as the company that put desktop level graphics chips in mobile computers. It kind of makes Nintendo a pointless prospect in the grand scheme of things.

Nvidia offering Nintendo a cheap deal to get the contract makes a lot of sense. They've invested into Tegra quite a bit, but have been frustrated by not being able to get a vendor. If NX is successful, Nvidia can point to that to other vendors and say "see? Tegra powers a multi-million selling product". And they will have more levergage on future Nintendo hardware. Don't really see why that's terribly hard to to understand. 

And Iwata does hint at a hybrid device, read the quote, by Jan 2014 he's now all of the sudden no longer sure if they need just one device or multiple, and says they don't know if they will integrate. Sounds like this stuff was being actively debated at the time, my guess is the pro-hybrid crowd at Nintendo won out. 

I don't think multiple devices in theory works really as well in reality and Nintendo also realized this. We know Nintendo portables already far outsell Nintendo consoles, even the DS comfortably sold more than the Wii and the GBA and 3DS destroy the GCN and Wii U by like a 4 to 1+ ratio. If you create a situation where the portable basically has all the same games (unified platform), and the only thing the console really has going for it is better graphics ... in reality you probably have the vast majority of people choosing the portable SKU anyway. 

3DS/GBA already destroy their console counterpart in sales now if you also give them all the games like Splatoon and Zelda: BoTW ... bye bye console. 

That's the "gimmick" with the NX ... it's a portable and a console. By creating one device, Nintendo creates added functionality and value to the NX concept (PS4/XB1 can't be taken portably anywhere). So sure I think Nintendo tried various different SKUs, but in the end I think they fell in love with the hybrid concept. 

Wouldn't surprise me. It was probably cute,  and portable, and different, and Nintendo couldn't resist it. This isn't about what me or you would make as a console, it's Nintendo, and we know Nintendo's design tastes are off the wall. Also another tip off was Nintendo reps started speaking about the NX as a singular fashion rather than using a plural noun (ie: Tabata saying the next Metroid would be for the Nintendo NX console ... not consoles/machines, Reggie doing the same). 



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There are more and more outlets now reporting that it is going to be the Tegra X2 processor, which would make the system more powerful than XOne and PS4, and closer to the power of PS Neo. Along with the modular controller, and Nintendo's best games, this thing could be a great seller on the market!



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dongo8 said:
There are more and more outlets now reporting that it is going to be the Tegra X2 processor, which would make the system more powerful than XOne and PS4, and closer to the power of PS Neo. Along with the modular controller, and Nintendo's best games, this thing could be a great seller on the market!

Given that Nvidia still hasn't said anything about Tegra 2 and there hasn't been any leaks about its performance (at least that I know, feel free to post them if you have seen them), talking about its performance is pure speculation, but going further and saying that it's not only more powerful than the PS4/X1 but on par with the newer models is simply wrong.

It's ok to be excited, but please let's keep this within what's reasonable.



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JEMC said:
dongo8 said:
There are more and more outlets now reporting that it is going to be the Tegra X2 processor, which would make the system more powerful than XOne and PS4, and closer to the power of PS Neo. Along with the modular controller, and Nintendo's best games, this thing could be a great seller on the market!

Given that Nvidia still hasn't said anything about Tegra 2 and there hasn't been any leaks about its performance (at least that I know, feel free to post them if you have seen them), talking about its performance is pure speculation, but going further and saying that it's not only more powerful than the PS4/X1 but on par with the newer models is simply wrong.

It's ok to be excited, but please let's keep this within what's reasonable.

I don't appreciate the attitude, multiple sites have reported this, and the exact specs in this here article: http://techfrag.com/2016/08/17/nintendo-nx-tegra-x2/

Don't knock me down if you can't back it up.

"Sources that are working close to the Nintendo NX claim that the chip being used is from Nvidia but it is not the Tegra X1. Right now, the Tegra X2 is not being called the X2 and it is named “Tegra-next” which is likely to be Parker.

The Tegra X1 released last year has four ARM Cortex-A53 cores coupled with Maxwell GPU. Tegra X2 chip on the other hands features four ARM-based Cortex-A57 cores along with two homegrown Denver2 cores. It will feature latest gen Pascal GPU. The same architecture that has been used in the latest Nvidia GPUs, GTX 1080, 1070, 1060 and the Titan X."



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Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Lol. We only know the official codename of NX and looks at it generating wall after wall of text.

Maybe when we get confirmation, it wil crash VGChartz outright :p.

Forget VGChartz, the whole internet will explode!



                
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dongo8 said:
JEMC said:

Given that Nvidia still hasn't said anything about Tegra 2 and there hasn't been any leaks about its performance (at least that I know, feel free to post them if you have seen them), talking about its performance is pure speculation, but going further and saying that it's not only more powerful than the PS4/X1 but on par with the newer models is simply wrong.

It's ok to be excited, but please let's keep this within what's reasonable.

I don't appreciate the attitude, multiple sites have reported this, and the exact specs in this here article: http://techfrag.com/2016/08/17/nintendo-nx-tegra-x2/

Don't knock me down if you can't back it up.

If my post seemed aggresive or disrespectful, please accept my appologies as that wasn't my intention.

That said, we're still in the same situation because that link of your says nothing about the performance of the Tegra X2. They said which ARM cores it will have, but it doesn't say anything about the frequency of those cores and what's the difference between the Denver 2 cores and other ARM products.

At the same time, while it will feature Pascal architecture instead of Maxwell, we don't know how many cores it will have and the frequency they'll run at.

Lastly, the article doesn't even claim that NX will use Tegra X2, it only says that a report (without stating which one or providing a link to read it) says that it will use it.



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JEMC said:
dongo8 said:

I don't appreciate the attitude, multiple sites have reported this, and the exact specs in this here article: http://techfrag.com/2016/08/17/nintendo-nx-tegra-x2/

Don't knock me down if you can't back it up.

If my post seemed aggresive or disrespectful, please accept my appologies as that wasn't my intention.

That said, we're still in the same situation because that link of your says nothing about the performance of the Tegra X2. They said which ARM cores it will have, but it doesn't say anything about the frequency of those cores and what's the difference between the Denver 2 cores and other ARM products.

At the same time, while it will feature Pascal architecture instead of Maxwell, we don't know how many cores it will have and the frequency they'll run at.

Lastly, the article doesn't even claim that NX will use Tegra X2, it only says that a report (without stating which one or providing a link to read it) says that it will use it.

Every article I have read and found about the use of Tegra X2 says the same thing. The X2 will use Pascal architecture and will be close to the power of blah blah blah. It doesn't really matter, it is all rumor, but according to most of the articles it is from a source that is "Very Familiar With" the NX, whatever that means. I just didn't appreciate the way that you immediately shot it down without any reading or reasoning to say otherwise. I am going on the articles and news that I have read some of which I have sourced in this thread. There is A LOT of it out there. No one is taking them as gospel, but I am pretty excited about the possibilities. Each article also words it differently, some saying that the X2 would be on par with or a little better than XOne and PS4, and then others stating it would be nearly on par with Neo. No one yet knows the actual specs of the X2 but are using comparable processors to gauge where the power could potentially be.

Until Nintendo or NVidia come out and say something, no one will ever know. Hopefully next month we will know things! This speculation is obviously putting people on edge haha



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dongo8 said:
JEMC said:

If my post seemed aggresive or disrespectful, please accept my appologies as that wasn't my intention.

That said, we're still in the same situation because that link of your says nothing about the performance of the Tegra X2. They said which ARM cores it will have, but it doesn't say anything about the frequency of those cores and what's the difference between the Denver 2 cores and other ARM products.

At the same time, while it will feature Pascal architecture instead of Maxwell, we don't know how many cores it will have and the frequency they'll run at.

Lastly, the article doesn't even claim that NX will use Tegra X2, it only says that a report (without stating which one or providing a link to read it) says that it will use it.

Every article I have read and found about the use of Tegra X2 says the same thing. The X2 will use Pascal architecture and will be close to the power of blah blah blah. It doesn't really matter, it is all rumor, but according to most of the articles it is from a source that is "Very Familiar With" the NX, whatever that means. I just didn't appreciate the way that you immediately shot it down without any reading or reasoning to say otherwise. I am going on the articles and news that I have read some of which I have sourced in this thread. There is A LOT of it out there. No one is taking them as gospel, but I am pretty excited about the possibilities. Each article also words it differently, some saying that the X2 would be on par with or a little better than XOne and PS4, and then others stating it would be nearly on par with Neo. No one yet knows the actual specs of the X2 but are using comparable processors to gauge where the power could potentially be.

Until Nintendo or NVidia come out and say something, no one will ever know. Hopefully next month we will know things! This speculation is obviously putting people on edge haha

The problem with those articles is that they are based on nothing.

I don't know if you're a PC gamer or follow the news about new graphics cards, but the situation is similar: one site post a rumor about an upcoming product, then another site makes an article about that product using the info from the first site as a source, after that another one does the same claiming "several sources" (the first and second site), and from there it's a snowball going downhill.

What we know from the Eurogamer article is that Tegra X1 seems to be the processor that will power the NX, and that would make it more powerful than PS360 & Wii U, but far from the PS4/X1. And if they go with a Tegra X2, the situation will be better, but it won't change that much.



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JEMC said:
dongo8 said:

Every article I have read and found about the use of Tegra X2 says the same thing. The X2 will use Pascal architecture and will be close to the power of blah blah blah. It doesn't really matter, it is all rumor, but according to most of the articles it is from a source that is "Very Familiar With" the NX, whatever that means. I just didn't appreciate the way that you immediately shot it down without any reading or reasoning to say otherwise. I am going on the articles and news that I have read some of which I have sourced in this thread. There is A LOT of it out there. No one is taking them as gospel, but I am pretty excited about the possibilities. Each article also words it differently, some saying that the X2 would be on par with or a little better than XOne and PS4, and then others stating it would be nearly on par with Neo. No one yet knows the actual specs of the X2 but are using comparable processors to gauge where the power could potentially be.

Until Nintendo or NVidia come out and say something, no one will ever know. Hopefully next month we will know things! This speculation is obviously putting people on edge haha

The problem with those articles is that they are based on nothing.

I don't know if you're a PC gamer or follow the news about new graphics cards, but the situation is similar: one site post a rumor about an upcoming product, then another site makes an article about that product using the info from the first site as a source, after that another one does the same claiming "several sources" (the first and second site), and from there it's a snowball going downhill.

What we know from the Eurogamer article is that Tegra X1 seems to be the processor that will power the NX, and that would make it more powerful than PS360 & Wii U, but far from the PS4/X1. And if they go with a Tegra X2, the situation will be better, but it won't change that much.

Found something that may hint a little more closely at the possible power of the chips...Most likely the ones in the NX will be semi-custom though, so who knows about the numbers regardless haha.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9903/nvidia-announces-drive-px-2-pascal-power-for-selfdriving-cars



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dongo8 said:
There are more and more outlets now reporting that it is going to be the Tegra X2 processor, which would make the system more powerful than XOne and PS4, and closer to the power of PS Neo. Along with the modular controller, and Nintendo's best games, this thing could be a great seller on the market!

Hardly, even with Tegra X2 NX in docked mode would have power close to XB1 not to PS4, not to mention PS4 Neo.