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KLXVER said:
Neodegenerate said:

If there is enough demand for it, yes.  It's called business and supply and demand.  EA sees an opportunity to move units of the CE without having to provide the base game.

Edit: And this scenario actually is built specifically to please everyone.  Except for you, apparently.

No its not. What about the people who cant afford it?

If we are taking the idea of people being unable to afford things into consideration then why aren't we attacking everything on the planet for not being free?

This is a ridiculous place to take an argument about a hobby that is built around spending dollars for entertainment/collection and you know it.

This option, unlike others, allows for people to decide if they want the collectors edition premium items AFTER having tried the product it is tied to.  That is inclusive, not exclusive, of the fan base.  To say otherwise is willful ignorance or just simply foolish.  I am going with the first option for you here.



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Angelus said:
KLXVER said:

Yes. If you want to release merchandise for a game, then go ahead. Just dont call it a Collectors Edition. Because its not.

Mhm....you're just circle jerking here really. Everything you've said in this thread has been met with valid counterpoints, which you seem to just keep ignoring and then jumping back and forth between your own nonsense "arguments" of "this is terrible period, I hate it, options are bad" to "ok options are fine just call it something else!"

Im against CEs that dont include the game because we already have something called a CE and its the game along with other stuff. If you want to release something without a game, then dont call it a CE, because all it will do is confuse people. It would be better to call it something else, but all in all its not needed at all.



KLXVER said:
Angelus said:

Mhm....you're just circle jerking here really. Everything you've said in this thread has been met with valid counterpoints, which you seem to just keep ignoring and then jumping back and forth between your own nonsense "arguments" of "this is terrible period, I hate it, options are bad" to "ok options are fine just call it something else!"

Im against CEs that dont include the game because we already have something called a CE and its the game along with other stuff. If you want to release something without a game, then dont call it a CE, because all it will do is confuse people. It would be better to call it something else, but all in all its not needed at all.

Have you looked at the Amazon listings?  It is pretty damn clear that it does not include the game.  The 190 version of the same CE does, and that is pretty clear too.  This is another option, that is all.  The semantics of it bothering you to this level is astounding.



Neodegenerate said:
KLXVER said:

No its not. What about the people who cant afford it?

If we are taking the idea of people being unable to afford things into consideration then why aren't we attacking everything on the planet for not being free?

This is a ridiculous place to take an argument about a hobby that is built around spending dollars for entertainment/collection and you know it.

This option, unlike others, allows for people to decide if they want the collectors edition premium items AFTER having tried the product it is tied to.  That is inclusive, not exclusive, of the fan base.  To say otherwise is willful ignorance or just simply foolish.  I am going with the first option for you here.

How many options do we really need though? Just buy the physical game, download it or buy the CE. Those options are fine. No need to please some by confusing others.



Neodegenerate said:
KLXVER said:

Im against CEs that dont include the game because we already have something called a CE and its the game along with other stuff. If you want to release something without a game, then dont call it a CE, because all it will do is confuse people. It would be better to call it something else, but all in all its not needed at all.

Have you looked at the Amazon listings?  It is pretty damn clear that it does not include the game.  The 190 version of the same CE does, and that is pretty clear too.  This is another option, that is all.  The semantics of it bothering you to this level is astounding.

Yeah, Im the one just posting my thoughts over and over again. Nobody has quoted me to ask questions at all..........



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KLXVER said:
Neodegenerate said:

If we are taking the idea of people being unable to afford things into consideration then why aren't we attacking everything on the planet for not being free?

This is a ridiculous place to take an argument about a hobby that is built around spending dollars for entertainment/collection and you know it.

This option, unlike others, allows for people to decide if they want the collectors edition premium items AFTER having tried the product it is tied to.  That is inclusive, not exclusive, of the fan base.  To say otherwise is willful ignorance or just simply foolish.  I am going with the first option for you here.

How many options do we really need though? Just buy the physical game, download it or buy the CE. Those options are fine. No need to please some by confusing others.

So you are saying there is no need to allow for people to try the game for $60 before committing to what is a $190 purchase?  You are also the one who argued against this because people might not be able to afford it.

I respect that you are taking the time to respond to each argument, I just don't think you have a leg to stand on in this one and just dislike the practice of offering another option for people simply for the sake of disliking the option.



Neodegenerate said:
KLXVER said:

How many options do we really need though? Just buy the physical game, download it or buy the CE. Those options are fine. No need to please some by confusing others.

So you are saying there is no need to allow for people to try the game for $60 before committing to what is a $190 purchase?  You are also the one who argued against this because people might not be able to afford it.

I respect that you are taking the time to respond to each argument, I just don't think you have a leg to stand on in this one and just dislike the practice of offering another option for people simply for the sake of disliking the option.

CEs has been around for a long time now. People have bought them for years without knowing the quality of the game. You buy it because you love the franchise or you just really like the stuff that comes with the game. This gameless CE is just useless.

There are things that would be nice for some, like buying just the box for a game if they have lost theirs or it is broken, but is it really needed? Its just not what this CE is, but what it represent.



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KLXVER said:
Neodegenerate said:

So you are saying there is no need to allow for people to try the game for $60 before committing to what is a $190 purchase?  You are also the one who argued against this because people might not be able to afford it.

I respect that you are taking the time to respond to each argument, I just don't think you have a leg to stand on in this one and just dislike the practice of offering another option for people simply for the sake of disliking the option.

CEs has been around for a long time now. People have bought them for years without knowing the quality of the game. You buy it because you love the franchise or you just really like the stuff that comes with the game. This gameless CE is just useless.

There are things that would be nice for some, like buying just the box for a game if they have lost theirs or it is broken, but is it really needed? Its just not what this CE is, but what it represent.

What this represents is another option.  It could, in theory, also represent an overestimation by EA. Perhaps they made 500,000 of the CE and only have preorders for 50,000 and thus want to make up what could potentially be a lose.

What I see though?  Is a company that is rebranding their entire game.  Battlefield 1.  This is the what, 5th mainline game?  Why rebrand it as 1?  Here is the why: attract new customers.

You know what a new customer isn't prone to do?  Spend $190 for a CE on a game they haven't tried yet.  Here is an anecdote.  I love Bioshock.  It is my favorite game franchise of last gen.  I have a Big Daddy from the game tattooed on my arm and the CE of Bioshock 2 to "prove it" along with a few other collectibles.  You know what I don't have?  The CE of Bioshock 1 or Bioshock Infinite.

"Why not Mr. Degenerate?"

Why thank you for asking I am gonna tell you why.  Because I didn't know what Bioshock was when I bought the first one and I wasn't shelling out (that's if they even had one, didn't look) and Bioshock 2 wasn't everything I thought it was so I wasn't getting burned on another $200 purchase for Infinite.  I regret not buying the CE on Infinite.  I am not buying the game a second time to get it.  If they had this exact option, I would've picked this thing up a couple hours after turning on Infinite.

Anecdote over.

Battlefield is a popular game, but they want it to be more.  They want CoD level.  This is a step they are taking in hoping to get it there.



Neodegenerate said:
KLXVER said:

CEs has been around for a long time now. People have bought them for years without knowing the quality of the game. You buy it because you love the franchise or you just really like the stuff that comes with the game. This gameless CE is just useless.

There are things that would be nice for some, like buying just the box for a game if they have lost theirs or it is broken, but is it really needed? Its just not what this CE is, but what it represent.

What this represents is another option.  It could, in theory, also represent an overestimation by EA. Perhaps they made 500,000 of the CE and only have preorders for 50,000 and thus want to make up what could potentially be a lose.

What I see though?  Is a company that is rebranding their entire game.  Battlefield 1.  This is the what, 5th mainline game?  Why rebrand it as 1?  Here is the why: attract new customers.

You know what a new customer isn't prone to do?  Spend $190 for a CE on a game they haven't tried yet.  Here is an anecdote.  I love Bioshock.  It is my favorite game franchise of last gen.  I have a Big Daddy from the game tattooed on my arm and the CE of Bioshock 2 to "prove it" along with a few other collectibles.  You know what I don't have?  The CE of Bioshock 1 or Bioshock Infinite.

"Why not Mr. Degenerate?"

Why thank you for asking I am gonna tell you why.  Because I didn't know what Bioshock was when I bought the first one and I wasn't shelling out (that's if they even had one, didn't look) and Bioshock 2 wasn't everything I thought it was so I wasn't getting burned on another $200 purchase for Infinite.  I regret not buying the CE on Infinite.  I am not buying the game a second time to get it.  If they had this exact option, I would've picked this thing up a couple hours after turning on Infinite.

Anecdote over.

Battlefield is a popular game, but they want it to be more.  They want CoD level.  This is a step they are taking in hoping to get it there.

Then dont make a CE for the game at all. The fun of having a CE is that its quite exclusive. You have something cool not many other people have. Thats the point of a CE. If everyone can get one, then whats the point? Just make regular merchandise and sell that instead.