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If all of their talent is working on one unified system instead of being split between handheld and home units, their lineup could fare quite well even without AAA third party games. It should still be powerful enough to support many smaller production and indie titles (even mobile ports if it has a good touchpad). That could be enough for me if things don't go south on it.



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MTZehvor said:
oniyide said:

the PS2 was competitive. It doesnt mean at has to be on par or ahead it just cant be a whole gen behind. 

And the NX won't be a whole gen behind. Its graphics are stated to be somewhere between PS3 and PS4's. That's roughly what the PS2 was in comparison to the GC and X-Box.

funny cause thats what some said about Wii U and we see how that turned out. I wouldnt be surprised NX is closer to PS3 than 4. And PS2 was pretty close to GC xbox. than it was to the PS1 from the prior gen much closer. It wasnt like the PS2 missed out on a lot of games due to lack of power, something that Ninty home consoles couldnt say for the last two gens.



if this thing can run PS4 games its not gonna be cheap



its interesting to see people talk up the 3rd party support for 3ds like it was good. Maybe my expectations are too high, but IMHO its mediocore at best. I dont thinks its great when western devs all but ignore it so you're missing all those games and the Japanese games that do come are spinoffs or inferior versions of their console version



oniyide said:
MTZehvor said:

And the NX won't be a whole gen behind. Its graphics are stated to be somewhere between PS3 and PS4's. That's roughly what the PS2 was in comparison to the GC and X-Box.

funny cause thats what some said about Wii U and we see how that turned out. I wouldnt be surprised NX is closer to PS3 than 4. And PS2 was pretty close to GC xbox. than it was to the PS1 from the prior gen much closer. It wasnt like the PS2 missed out on a lot of games due to lack of power, something that Ninty home consoles couldnt say for the last two gens.

And Wii U's problem was not graphical power; it was barely having any releases that weren't ports for a full year or so after the initial launch in 2012. Nintendo consoles have never missed out on games for a lack of power; Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty didn't just abandon the system halfway through the Wii U's lifetime because it suddenly became less powerful. They stopped making games because they simply didn't sell well, which was due to the fact that nobody bought the system.

Another example that power means relatively little when it comes to determining who develops for what. The DS and 3DS were both far less powerful than the PSP and PS Vita, and yet both easily had more 3rd party titles and were far more successful as a whole. Power is largely only relevant when it comes to encouraging the consumer to buy the console in the first place, and if Nintendo can find some way to get around that, then developers will certainly bring games to it.



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First off, yes, Nintendo wants 3Rd party support. About 25% of Wii revenue came from 3Rd party royalties, and 3Rd party games sell systems.

Moving on, NX doesn't need to be the most powerful system to get 3Rd party games, it just needs to be as powerful as the least powerful platform that is also getting 3Rd party games. Rumours have NX running the next Tegra with about 90% XBox One power. So that should be enough.

I think Nintendo's idea is to push as many of these things out to handheld buyers as quickly as possible and push the system with their own top titles. Third parties would then see potential new market for their games and port the XBox One version of their titles. It could work, provided the device itself is seen as cool and appealing to buyers.



Nintation360 said:

We all know Nintendo desperatly wants 3rd party support back on their system...

No we dont know that.

Nintendo does very little work to get 3rd parties (compaired to sony or microsoft).

They make their machines based on the vision they have for future games, without takeing 3rd party into consideration.

They see themselves as a software (gameing) company, instead of a hardware one.

Id go so far as to say, they much rather prefer selling their own games, than 3rd party ones, almost to the point of seeing them as competition.

That is why nintendo doesnt have much 3rd party support now. They basically just dont care, otherwise they could/would have easily fixed it.



Nintendo wants 3rd parties, but they want money and continued survival most of all.

Due to the fact that Nintendo is just a Japanese card company that wandered into toys and only struck gold when becoming a video game company, its reserves and cash flow is dwarfed by that Sony which exploded thanks to worldwide electronics brand or Microsoft thanks to its OS core technology brands. Nintendo can't enter a straight shooting war with Sony and Microsoft and win, the few times they tried to match or exceed them were the N64 and GC systems with the N64 being the only one to place second of those two systems. This is no doubt a problem especially in the current generation which seems to have had more Western PC developers leading the pack of third party gems.

Yet, there is a strong sense that even had Nintendo created a system on par with the PS4 (which we don't know if that is or isn't the case yet) there is a possibility developers will still come up with excuses as to not port their games. Nintendo has seen this throughout the years, certain 3rd parties both in the West and in Japan rather then releasing games that could be easily ported to the GC, Wii, Wii U and even some 3DS games would choose to just release it on competition systems. Also one merely has to look at Xbox and its own struggles, sometimes even if you have a comparable system a decent set of exclusives, it doesn't mean you will be able to take a strong standing with certain factors such as one company getting a strong early lead and preference among developers. One would literally need a handheld Monster Hunter style money maker to pull a system back from the brink such as the PSP saw in Japan.



At this point, Nintendo knows they can't really win 3rd parties back, so...



"Just for comparison Uncharted 4 was 20x bigger than Splatoon 2. This shows the huge difference between Sony's first-party games and Nintendo's first-party games."

Anyways... Nintendo has managed well without relying on 3rd party support.

Their strategy is to be self sufficient with gameing software instead. (they prefer selling their own games)
That didnt work for the Wii U, because they had to split their resources between the 3DS & Wii U.

That wont be a problem with the NX and its unified games library. As long as NX isnt ridden with game droughts, it should be fine.