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MoHasanie on 10 August 2016

The costs of these movies are getting ridiculous. Do the movie studios expect every movie to make $1bn now?



    

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Okie_Loki on 11 August 2016

Thanks Roderic.

Here's an in depth analysis as to why the $750-$800 million break even figure is complete bull:

http://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/no-suicide-squad-doesnt-need-to-make-800-million-to-break-even-.php

Also a good look into the inner workings of costs and profits.
Again, this entire subject popped up for BvS and now Suicide Squad. And I specifically remember $800 million being the mark for BvS and then it increased to $1 billion as it started inching closer. So I'm going to put my tinfoil hat on here and say that someone is just throwing these high, arbitrary numbers out there for DCEU films, because I didn't see one thing about Deadpool or Civil War amd their break even points.

 

Also, it looks like Suicide Squad is already over $330 million worldwide before its second weekend. So far, people are still going to see it. 



bigtakilla on 11 August 2016
Lawlight said:
bigtakilla said:
To be honest, it's not a great movie. It's a fun movie... It's a good movie.... But it's also a VERY flawed movie that doesn't really fit in to the DCEU.

I mean, can you honestly see ANY of these characters even giving Batfleck a challenge? They should all be dead, because Batfleck would have murdered them all.

Next, Batfleck seems to be FAR more unstable mentally than anyone in Arkham, and he's killed a lot more people by the looks of it. I always figured Batfleck murdered due to the escalation of violence and murder in Arkham, but it seems the only person in the rogue gallery that anywhere near as old as himself is Deadshot.

As a universe, the series is a freaking disaster. It seems to have went WAY to dark in the tonality of BvS, then FAR to light in Suicide Squad.

Batfleck goes out of his way to save Harley Quinn. He also doesn't beat the shit out of Deadshot in front of her daughter (something the animated series Batman is not averse to). Tonally, no shared movie universe is consistent. Different directors, different genres of movies...

And about the age, you're forgetting that the Joker and Killer Croc are older than Batman. The only member of his rogue gallery younger than him is Harley Quinn.

And look how absolutely ridiculous the scene with him and Deadshot looked. Let's face it, Batman and Superman are the real super villains in the DCEU based on there deeds that are shown through out the movies.

Not sure where you got that Joker is supposed to be older either, he sure looks around 20 years younge

r than the grey haired batfleck. Batfleck also has wrinkles and age lines, Joker's face has none.



Dark_Feanor on 11 August 2016

SS is surpriselly holding really well during the week.

It's doing better than all 2016 SH movies and only 2mi behind Deadpool's BO.

A "small" 60% second weekend drop wouldn't be a surprise.



Lawlight on 11 August 2016
bigtakilla said:
Lawlight said:

Batfleck goes out of his way to save Harley Quinn. He also doesn't beat the shit out of Deadshot in front of her daughter (something the animated series Batman is not averse to). Tonally, no shared movie universe is consistent. Different directors, different genres of movies...

And about the age, you're forgetting that the Joker and Killer Croc are older than Batman. The only member of his rogue gallery younger than him is Harley Quinn.

And look how absolutely ridiculous the scene with him and Deadshot looked. Let's face it, Batman and Superman are the real super villains in the DCEU based on there deeds that are shown through out the movies.

Not sure where you got that Joker is supposed to be older either, he sure looks around 20 years younge

r than the grey haired batfleck. Batfleck also has wrinkles and age lines, Joker's face has none.

Joker's aged well. Leto is 44. Affleck is 43.



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Okie_Loki on 12 August 2016

Latest details below. Estimates are putting this at #1 for the second weekend in a row against Sausage Party and Pete's Dragon getting fantastic reviews. I think this movie is still on pace for something in between $550-$700 million WW currently. It sits at approximately $330 million WW as of yesterday.

http://deadline.com/2016/08/weekend-box-office-suicide-squad-sausage-party-petes-dragon-1201802677/



GameAnalyser on 20 August 2016

It's still doing in the moolah for third weekend with other movies to compete. At this stage 300 looks a clear possibility and can have a shot at the distant BvS.



bigtakilla on 20 August 2016
Lawlight said:
bigtakilla said:

And look how absolutely ridiculous the scene with him and Deadshot looked. Let's face it, Batman and Superman are the real super villains in the DCEU based on there deeds that are shown through out the movies.

Not sure where you got that Joker is supposed to be older either, he sure looks around 20 years younge

r than the grey haired batfleck. Batfleck also has wrinkles and age lines, Joker's face has none.

Joker's aged well. Leto is 44. Affleck is 43.

I don't think there real ages matter. One is aged in the make-up room, one is made to look young.



GameAnalyser on 20 August 2016
Lawlight said:
Okie_Loki said:

Where to begin?

$175 million movie budget.
$10 million for re-shoots.
$100 million for all marketing (advertising).

Those are the numbers that we've been consistently told and seem relatively verifiable. That total is $285 million and studios usually take, on average throughout a films theater run about .50 on the dollar (half). It can be more or less depending on the theater and/or market.

To say that this film needs $800 million to BREAK EVEN is either complete clickbait or is a way to degrade the film ala Batman v Superman. The latter it was said would need $800 million to break even, and once it did, people across the Internet said it needed $1 billion to be credited as any type of success. Go figure...

This film needs maybe $650 million to break even and start turning pure profit (would equal about $325 million back to the studios). I just don't understand why we have to have these debates (they turn into arguments instead of just being easy conversations). If studios are really pouring this much money into these movies for the product we receive (budgets seem really bloated relative to all in all mediocre or just decent finished products) and thus need x amount in return, they're doing something wrong.

The $175M budget includes the reshoots which cost $22M.

It's a smash hit already with WW numbers combined. It's just that some can't digest the fact it defied critics for such BO moolah. Some other better critical summer movies of its like failed to do so . Still keeping up close to GOTG numbers and at this rate 315-20 M is a sure shot.



Okie_Loki on 20 August 2016

^^ I'm not sure, according to this guy (who is pretty unbiased and on point), the movie will struggle to reach $300 domestic and may be more in line with Man of Steel ($291). This is why China was such a let down, because they could have put the WW figures anywhere between +$50-$100 million from where they are now.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/08/20/box-office-suicide-squad-falls-54-for-6m-friday/#3226ea8a7195

I think WW they're expecting this movie to pass $550 this weekend. So it'll probably finish anywhere in the $600s at this point, which is still ridiculously solid no matter how much people spin it.