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Are the olympics going to become a disaster?

Yes! 79 49.07%
 
No! 75 46.58%
 
It won't be, because it'll be canceled! 7 4.35%
 
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DonFerrari said:
outlawauron said:

Several of the buildings were rushed to completion resulting in a ton of problems with entire hotels just completely flooded. The accommadations for in the Athlete's village are completely unacceptable. I'm also not even mentioning the extremely obvious problems with Brazil itself with the Zika virus outbreak, polluted waters, and large civil unrest (where the olympic torch runners had stones pelted at them and the military was called in to keep locals in check).

There's literally a laundry list of problems that stem from corruption, poor management of funds and time, and plain incompetence. Almost every promise Brazil made to get the Olympics has been a lie.

I don't really care about the dolled up events like the Opening Ceremony. There's literally no way to botch that.

Yes, you seem to talk with a profound knowledge of the issue.

I mean, I'm not claiming to know everything, but the problems happening are pretty widely reported. I see you're Brazil, so if you're having a different perspective, I'd love to hear it.



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outlawauron said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes, you seem to talk with a profound knowledge of the issue.

I mean, I'm not claiming to know everything, but the problems happening are pretty widely reported. I see you're Brazil, so if you're having a different perspective, I'd love to hear it.

They already gave it in the thread, it's very far from a disaster even though it have several issues, but nothing out of this world... And the social unrest and criminality in Rio was about the same at the time of election same on polution (besides, the athletes will hardly fall in the water



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zehh25 said:

No, it will be great. The media is just saying stupid things because it is in South America instead of Europe or North America. Also zika is not spreading like you may think and the Brazilian media is pathetic. I feel like you people from "rich countries" just have a lot of prejudice against Brazil and other emergent contries because the biggest events are not happening only in the places you live anymore.

Let's be honest, do you think Europe and US are safe? Zika is not such a dangerous disease, unless you are pregnant. The terrorists are a lot worse, and don't say the criminality is not a problem for you, US is just as violent as Brazil, and Europe is becoming problematic too with big social problems caused by the amount of imigrants.

About the problems in the structure, all editions had problems, some were even worse, like Sochi, but the media didn't act like that.

PS.: seems like people forgot that London had lots of protests and violence during the Olympics, because everybody acts like if it is only in Brazil that these things happen.

Excuse me?  Brazil's murder (intentional homicide) rate is around 24.6, the US is around 4.0 to 4.5 (varries slightly by study).  Property crime is also much higher.  I have no quarrel with Brazil or Brazilians, but don't white wash your country or dismissively disrespect mine just to shore up your national pride.  Also, don't look at the sensationalist media and social media for impressions on what the US is like, do research :P



Nuvendil said:
zehh25 said:

No, it will be great. The media is just saying stupid things because it is in South America instead of Europe or North America. Also zika is not spreading like you may think and the Brazilian media is pathetic. I feel like you people from "rich countries" just have a lot of prejudice against Brazil and other emergent contries because the biggest events are not happening only in the places you live anymore.

Let's be honest, do you think Europe and US are safe? Zika is not such a dangerous disease, unless you are pregnant. The terrorists are a lot worse, and don't say the criminality is not a problem for you, US is just as violent as Brazil, and Europe is becoming problematic too with big social problems caused by the amount of imigrants.

About the problems in the structure, all editions had problems, some were even worse, like Sochi, but the media didn't act like that.

PS.: seems like people forgot that London had lots of protests and violence during the Olympics, because everybody acts like if it is only in Brazil that these things happen.

Excuse me?  Brazil's murder (intentional homicide) rate is around 24.6, the US is around 4.0 to 4.5 (varries slightly by study).  Property crime is also much higher.  I have no quarrel with Brazil or Brazilians, but don't white wash your country or dismissively disrespect mine just to shore up your national pride.  Also, don't look at the sensationalist media and social media for impressions on what the US is like, do research :P

Take your own advice... a big portion of the homicide rate is between rival gangs and don't exactly reflect how safe or unsafe the country or city is as a hole... don't buy what your own media is telling about brazil.



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It at least brings attention to the problems in the country. Guess thats a few points.
Don't know enough about it to comment on how it'll go, but I wouldn't mind some major issues. The people running the olympics are pretty shitty :/



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JRPGfan said:

That is some nasty water... unbelievable they care so little for the enviroment they live in.

why bashing brazillians? Have you visited the country and seen the water? nope



DonFerrari said:
Nuvendil said:

Excuse me?  Brazil's murder (intentional homicide) rate is around 24.6, the US is around 4.0 to 4.5 (varries slightly by study).  Property crime is also much higher.  I have no quarrel with Brazil or Brazilians, but don't white wash your country or dismissively disrespect mine just to shore up your national pride.  Also, don't look at the sensationalist media and social media for impressions on what the US is like, do research :P

Take your own advice... a big portion of the homicide rate is between rival gangs and don't exactly reflect how safe or unsafe the country or city is as a hole... don't buy what your own media is telling about brazil.

My media doesn't report much on Brazil very often and if it has lately, I don't watch it much because it's, as I said, sensationalist to a ludicrous degree, especially right now (election year).  I did some research and the overwhelming evidence is that the overall crime rates in Brazil are far, far higher than the US and most of Europe.  

However, you can't sit there with a straight face and tell me ALL the tens of thousands of murders above the ammount committed in the US is due to gangs?  Also, if we factor out street gang violence crime in the US goes down as well by a bit.  And my point was not that Brazil is a cesspool that doesn't deserve the olympics, I am kinda neutral on that whole discussion since security of the Olympic area will be far higher than normal for any country.  It was that his statement was patently, incontrovertibly false, an excessive whitewashing of Brazil and mud flinging at the US and EU.

 

Edit:  I am also not saying the US is the perfect and glorious Eagleland to which all should aspire.  We have our issues as well.  I only ask we all live in reality, not nationalist fiction.



Seems like things are going OK. The biggest problem so far from what I've heard is they had some very strong wind yesterday and a few events had to be rescheduled but this is normal.

If Brazil could handle a World Cup, they should do fine with the Olympics. No the Olympic village accommodations may not be like a 5 star hotel resort, but that isn't the point of the Olympic experience.



DakonBlackblade said:
outlawauron said:
They already are a disaster, but as Sochi proved, you can still have the things with your host in complete disarray.

How are they a disaster ? They are going on withou a hitch, the opening ceremony was quite beautfull and well executed (while spending only 1/10th of the money spent by London). Competitions are going well, the atendance isn't spetacular but its nohing atrocious either, its a very alright Olympics so far.

Yep. The ceremony was really good, despite the technical limitations it had (compared to previous ceremonies).

As for the Games themselves, with the exception of the the people that are facing 2+ hours of lines to get into arenas, and those who can´t buy food at them because the food vanishes quickly, and  the several cases of thefts inside the athlete´s village, and  the shortage of food in the athlete´s restaurant, and the  overcrowded and irregular timed buses at the single BRT line that attends the Olympic Park, and the recently collapsed platform for sailing events, and the lack of proper signaling in some arenas, the lack of basic furniture, like chairs and tables, in the athlete´s apartments, and the still ongoing plumber and eletrical repairs in them, the games are going alright....... :P

Just like it was in the WC, Brazilian media is trying hard to cover any negative news towards the games. Competitions are going as planned and that´s a good thing, but for spectators and for the athletes (regarding accomodation), these games are still a mess. A quick look on social media is enough to see that.



DonFerrari said:
Nuvendil said:

Excuse me?  Brazil's murder (intentional homicide) rate is around 24.6, the US is around 4.0 to 4.5 (varries slightly by study).  Property crime is also much higher.  I have no quarrel with Brazil or Brazilians, but don't white wash your country or dismissively disrespect mine just to shore up your national pride.  Also, don't look at the sensationalist media and social media for impressions on what the US is like, do research :P

Take your own advice... a big portion of the homicide rate is between rival gangs and don't exactly reflect how safe or unsafe the country or city is as a hole... don't buy what your own media is telling about brazil.

Those gangs kill a lot of innocent people, just saying. And they are everywhere in this country.