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DirtyP2002 said:
hunter_alien said:

I am sorry but its not. The PSP and PSV came out while the PS2 and PS3 qere still Sony's main console. They pretty much jump a generation ahead and catch up hardware wise with Sonys handheld trend. 

"Sonys handheld trend" made me laugh.

 

Sony is not even a competition for Nintendo in the handheld market. Vita is dead and chances that there will be a new generation are very very slim.

That has nothing to do with what he said.

He is right, PSP and Vita were close in terms of hardware to Sony's console when they were released.



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GhaudePhaede010 said:
oniyide said:

I never said handhelds cant get quality console like games. I bought PSP and Vita for that very reason. RE Revelations proves my point, good game, but at the end of a day its NOT RE 5, 6 or 7 its still considered a spinoff game and that will deter some people no matter how good it is. As for graphics, we have to be real, the audience for people who care about that is dwindling by the year or they are satisfied with there tablets/phones which produce games that do look console quality. Thats not me being a pessimist, thats me looking at numbers and seeing the steady decline of dedicated portable systems.

I do not think you understood the point of my post. My point was that improving hardware for hand helds is making it easier for franchises to create console quality titles. No, it may not get direct ports, but if the hardware is above Wii U level, then it is not unreasonable to say developers will at least try to make a mainline title or two for the console. The hardware gap is not as huge as it once was. It may not get ports, but it does not need them. It does not need Resident Evil 5, 6, or 7 when Resident Evil: Revelations was so good that it got ported to consoles. You do not have to make a game and then downgrade it anymore, you can make a game and upgade it now because the hardware the gap has closed that much. That is how I think this console can fit into the market alongside those other consoles if the rumors are true. Hypothetically, you can make Resident Evil 8 on NX and then upgrade it (graphically mostly) to PS4 or XBOX one. There is nothing stopping developers from doing that on a content level any longer. The hardware does not stop them.

The graphical argument was simply added to keep an understanding that I meant my comment from a content and game play presective and not from a graphical prespective. I understand there will be people that say the game will not be the same graphically but I am seeing that content wise, they can pull this off. 

This thing you're talking about bis nothing new. It may be new for Nintendo but not for handhelds. Both PSP and Vita had console quality titles that were so good that they were ported to consoles. God of War Chains of Olympus and Ghost of Sparta, Tekken Dark Resurrection on PSP and Assassin's Creed 3 Liberation on Vita, but these handhelds didn't do that well. PSP sold well but it didn't sell as well as PS3 and we all know about the Vita, which did get quality versions of console games like NFS Most Wanted.



GhaudePhaede010 said:
Why do you guys not get that this is a hand held? I am seeing a report that says Game Freak is making a mainline Pokemon title for NX. Mainline Pokemon titles have never come to a Nintendo HOME CONSOLE. That would basically be confirmation this is a hand held console. Yet, that article attempts to say this console, one that uses cartridges and has everything in common with a hand held (including using Tegra mobile processor for fucks sake), is a home console. If these rumors are true, at what point will you people start to understand this console is a hand held? This console is not the successor to Wii U; that console will come in time. This console is screaming hand held and a lot of you are in denial. I am shocked by this.

This console is no more a home console than Wii U is a hand held console; ie, it isn't.

NX is a game console that has excellent portable functionality as a benefit to its users. There is no such thing as a portable or home console. That is so last gen.



oniyide said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

Too many opinions there and not enough facts. We have no idea why they ported it to consoles. Maybe it made sense from a few different prespectives. One being, it was a console game on a hand held. I mean, there are lots of games that do not sell well on hand helds that do not get console versions. I am not saying you are incorrect; rather, we both could be correct. There is too much specualtion there for my likes. 

Your second opinion is moot as it seems all gaming (console and hand held) is on the decline. Which would lead to a discussion about if the general audience gives much of a damn about anything gaming related right now.  As long as there is a healthy market (and I think 60 million gamers is a healthy market), those kinds of specualtion lead us nowhere, quickly.

so you say the game was so good it was ported to other consoles? where are your facts. Im basing my opinion on what these companies have done in the past. Hell maybe it was the plan all along. 

Fair enough. but if you think 60 mil is healthy then the Wii U is pratically cancer ridden and having to combine your handheld and home console to get to 60 mil is...kinda sad IMHO

1) No, I did not say that. If you read my post again, you will see I was proposing that there may have been MANY factors that led to the game being ported. One being that it was, in the way of its design, a console game. I did not mean that it was so good that it was ported; rather, that the content was rich enough to make a home console title out of it. Of course, I was not implying there was only one reason. I was implying that your reason, plus my reason, plus other business reasons that we may be unaware of, may have all played a factor in the decision. Many games fail on 3DS, but a failed 3DS game would not normally make a successful console title. There is a reason Residen Evil: Revelations was able to enjoy success on home consoles. If one wanted to play semantics, they could say the sales on Playstation prove it was good enough for a home console port. But that is opinion...

2) Obviously, they do not have to combine their markets to get to 60 million. The 3DS is already there. And to me yes, sixty million is a healthy market (for one console... not the whole market... which would mean I was not counting any Vita sales and that would be a large mistake) and that number will rise over the next year or so.

3) I would agree with you if I thought this was anything other than a hand held. I do not think Nintendo is going to retire from the dedicated home console market right now. I believe they will make at least one more home console and make a decision based on the success or failure of that console.



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superchunk said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:
Why do you guys not get that this is a hand held? I am seeing a report that says Game Freak is making a mainline Pokemon title for NX. Mainline Pokemon titles have never come to a Nintendo HOME CONSOLE. That would basically be confirmation this is a hand held console. Yet, that article attempts to say this console, one that uses cartridges and has everything in common with a hand held (including using Tegra mobile processor for fucks sake), is a home console. If these rumors are true, at what point will you people start to understand this console is a hand held? This console is not the successor to Wii U; that console will come in time. This console is screaming hand held and a lot of you are in denial. I am shocked by this.

This console is no more a home console than Wii U is a hand held console; ie, it isn't.

NX is a game console that has excellent portable functionality as a benefit to its users. There is no such thing as a portable or home console. That is so last gen.

LMAOOOOOO!!! I like the cut of your jib!



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Well if we assume it's basically a stock Tegra X1 in there .... that chip is better than PS3/360, it probably can have some PS4/XB1 ports because even the PS3/360 can do that (MGSV, Far Cry 4, DQ Heroes, etc.), but I'm guessing some devs won't bother (Western ones in particular).

Perhaps it's basically the similar raw power to a Tegra X1, but uses the new Pascal architecture for greater performance per watt (lower power consumption).



GOWTLOZ said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

I do not think you understood the point of my post. My point was that improving hardware for hand helds is making it easier for franchises to create console quality titles. No, it may not get direct ports, but if the hardware is above Wii U level, then it is not unreasonable to say developers will at least try to make a mainline title or two for the console. The hardware gap is not as huge as it once was. It may not get ports, but it does not need them. It does not need Resident Evil 5, 6, or 7 when Resident Evil: Revelations was so good that it got ported to consoles. You do not have to make a game and then downgrade it anymore, you can make a game and upgade it now because the hardware the gap has closed that much. That is how I think this console can fit into the market alongside those other consoles if the rumors are true. Hypothetically, you can make Resident Evil 8 on NX and then upgrade it (graphically mostly) to PS4 or XBOX one. There is nothing stopping developers from doing that on a content level any longer. The hardware does not stop them.

The graphical argument was simply added to keep an understanding that I meant my comment from a content and game play presective and not from a graphical prespective. I understand there will be people that say the game will not be the same graphically but I am seeing that content wise, they can pull this off. 

This thing you're talking about bis nothing new. It may be new for Nintendo but not for handhelds. Both PSP and Vita had console quality titles that were so good that they were ported to consoles. God of War Chains of Olympus and Ghost of Sparta, Tekken Dark Resurrection on PSP and Assassin's Creed 3 Liberation on Vita, but these handhelds didn't do that well. PSP sold well but it didn't sell as well as PS3 and we all know about the Vita, which did get quality versions of console games like NFS Most Wanted.

1) I am not saying this idea is new. Like not at all. I have, in other topics said I think Nintendo stole this idea. Not from Sony, however, from SNK (Neo Geo X) if this is true. They have stolen from SNK before and I would not be surprised if they did it again.

2) My argument was not that this is new technology; rather, that hand held gaming has moved so close to console gaming that games can be made for the hand held first and then, "upgraded" to home consoles without compromising or even changing the game (other than graphically) content. What that meant to me was that Resident Evil 8 or (Monster Hunter 5) can start out on NX and then be ported up to PS4/XBOX One without a need to change the game at all. This idea that hand helds will not get the quality ports was probably true, but to say they cannot get quality titles would be untrue.



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GhaudePhaede010 said:
GOWTLOZ said:

This thing you're talking about bis nothing new. It may be new for Nintendo but not for handhelds. Both PSP and Vita had console quality titles that were so good that they were ported to consoles. God of War Chains of Olympus and Ghost of Sparta, Tekken Dark Resurrection on PSP and Assassin's Creed 3 Liberation on Vita, but these handhelds didn't do that well. PSP sold well but it didn't sell as well as PS3 and we all know about the Vita, which did get quality versions of console games like NFS Most Wanted.

1) I am not saying this idea is new. Like not at all. I have, in other topics said I think Nintendo stole this idea. Not from Sony, however, from SNK (Neo Geo X) if this is true. They have stolen from SNK before and I would not be surprised if they did it again.

2) My argument was not that this is new technology; rather, that hand held gaming has moved so close to console gaming that games can be made for the hand held first and then, "upgraded" to home consoles without compromising or even changing the game (other than graphically) content. What that meant to me was that Resident Evil 8 or (Monster Hunter 5) can start out on NX and then be ported up to PS4/XBOX One without a need to change the game at all. This idea that hand helds will not get the quality ports was probably true, but to say they cannot get quality titles would be untrue.

Handhelds would limit the game if its a current gen game. NX can run GTA V well if the specs are true but a game like The Witcher 3 wouldn't run well on it and would have to be simplified in order to run on NX.



GOWTLOZ said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

1) I am not saying this idea is new. Like not at all. I have, in other topics said I think Nintendo stole this idea. Not from Sony, however, from SNK (Neo Geo X) if this is true. They have stolen from SNK before and I would not be surprised if they did it again.

2) My argument was not that this is new technology; rather, that hand held gaming has moved so close to console gaming that games can be made for the hand held first and then, "upgraded" to home consoles without compromising or even changing the game (other than graphically) content. What that meant to me was that Resident Evil 8 or (Monster Hunter 5) can start out on NX and then be ported up to PS4/XBOX One without a need to change the game at all. This idea that hand helds will not get the quality ports was probably true, but to say they cannot get quality titles would be untrue.

Handhelds would limit the game if its a current gen game. NX can run GTA V well if the specs are true but a game like The Witcher 3 wouldn't run well on it and would have to be simplified in order to run on NX.

PS3-360 still got ports of Far Cry 4, Watch Dogs, and Metal Gear Solid V ... these are huge games in scope. 

The Tegra X1 that the NX is supposedly using (or some better variant thereof) is considerably more powerful than the PS3-360 and likely will also have at least 3-5x more RAM.