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Kerotan on 03 August 2016
Nautilus said:
Kerotan said:

So can we say the ps2/ps1 were anomalies too or at least not possible in today's market?  

 

The 3DS is also a handheld in the land of handhelds.  If the ps4 was dead how come it can beat it at all?  

The PS2, much like the DS, are "miracles".They are the only two consoles that sold more than 150 millions, and sold more than the other consoles by a wide margin.Its something you cant predict.Hence the anomaly.The PS1 is a highly succesful console, not an anomaly.(I stated the Wii as an anomaly because it was the only Nintendo console to break the constant decrease in Nintendo home console sales, and by a large margin.PS console generally sell well, thats why i dont call the PS1 as an anomaly).

I never stated anywhere that the PS4 was dead.As you yourself said in another post(or was another user?), the PS4 is outselling the PS3 with the launch alligned.But it still cant manage to beat the 3DS all the time, making your statement of "PS4 can beat it at all" a bit of a stretch at the very least.What can be said is that consoles sales is not as strong as it was in the past, but the is another discussion altogether and not pertaining to this one.

And yeah, while the 3DS is not the best selling handheld of all time, it is still selling reasonably well, especially for a system that is 5.5 years old.That cant be ignored.Its fun to make a healthy competition betwenn the consoles, but its only fun when it dosent go too far.

This is all over the place so let me make my views clear.  

 

For years on media create threads both Vgchartz threads the general consensus has been nothing but negative doom regarding the ps4. 

 

2014 when it's summer average was 5k a week the ps4 wouldn't sell 5m Ltd and it would never pass the Wii U.  It would most certainly not outsell the 3DS.  

 

Console market dead and every game should shift to the 3DS or next Nintendo handheld they said. 

 

2015 the Sumner average is up to 10k. Still not good enough.  the ps3 was doing similar in its second year.  But nobody gave the ps4 a chance to rebound like it did.  It would fall way behind in 2016 launch alligned. And it will have no chance vs the 3DS in 2016. 

 

Now move to 2016, the ps4 like the ps3 in its 3rd year is having a great year.  Good early month sales and an excellent summer drought baseline of 20k+. But apparantly that's not impressive despite 2 years earlier sales like this not being possible because "home console market dead".  

 

Now it's got many big titles coming in the next 8 months.  After that many titles will drop ps4 support and be ps4 only. 

 

Psvr,  PS Neo,  PS slim,  great potential to cut the base price far lower then the ps3 ever did.  All these positives are yet to come.  

 

Ps4 will definitely sell over 8m. Possibly over 10m. It's perfectly on track as of now.  I'd consider these sales excellent for such a tough market dominated by handhelds and even more so by android / iOS.  And especially when many claimed the ps4 would sell half of that.  

 

People nowadays can spin the ps4 regularly beating the 3DS as not impressive but 2 years ago and 1 year ago most people gave it no chance.  



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Nautilus on 03 August 2016
Kerotan said:
Nautilus said:

The PS2, much like the DS, are "miracles".They are the only two consoles that sold more than 150 millions, and sold more than the other consoles by a wide margin.Its something you cant predict.Hence the anomaly.The PS1 is a highly succesful console, not an anomaly.(I stated the Wii as an anomaly because it was the only Nintendo console to break the constant decrease in Nintendo home console sales, and by a large margin.PS console generally sell well, thats why i dont call the PS1 as an anomaly).

I never stated anywhere that the PS4 was dead.As you yourself said in another post(or was another user?), the PS4 is outselling the PS3 with the launch alligned.But it still cant manage to beat the 3DS all the time, making your statement of "PS4 can beat it at all" a bit of a stretch at the very least.What can be said is that consoles sales is not as strong as it was in the past, but the is another discussion altogether and not pertaining to this one.

And yeah, while the 3DS is not the best selling handheld of all time, it is still selling reasonably well, especially for a system that is 5.5 years old.That cant be ignored.Its fun to make a healthy competition betwenn the consoles, but its only fun when it dosent go too far.

This is all over the place so let me make my views clear.  

 

For years on media create threads both Vgchartz threads the general consensus has been nothing but negative doom regarding the ps4. 

 

2014 when it's summer average was 5k a week the ps4 wouldn't sell 5m Ltd and it would never pass the Wii U.  It would most certainly not outsell the 3DS.  

 

Console market dead and every game should shift to the 3DS or next Nintendo handheld they said. 

 

2015 the Sumner average is up to 10k. Still not good enough.  the ps3 was doing similar in its second year.  But nobody gave the ps4 a chance to rebound like it did.  It would fall way behind in 2016 launch alligned. And it will have no chance vs the 3DS in 2016. 

 

Now move to 2016, the ps4 like the ps3 in its 3rd year is having a great year.  Good early month sales and an excellent summer drought baseline of 20k+. But apparantly that's not impressive despite 2 years earlier sales like this not being possible because "home console market dead".  

 

Now it's got many big titles coming in the next 8 months.  After that many titles will drop ps4 support and be ps4 only. 

 

Psvr,  PS Neo,  PS slim,  great potential to cut the base price far lower then the ps3 ever did.  All these positives are yet to come.  

 

Ps4 will definitely sell over 8m. Possibly over 10m. It's perfectly on track as of now.  I'd consider these sales excellent for such a tough market dominated by handhelds and even more so by android / iOS.  And especially when many claimed the ps4 would sell half of that.  

 

People nowadays can spin the ps4 regularly beating the 3DS as not impressive but 2 years ago and 1 year ago most people gave it no chance.  

Well you do have a point.But as always, people exagerrate.Its the internet after all.You cant take them too seriously, otherwise you will go insane.But you cant really blame them, since you also do the same.I mean, you just made a statement some posts before this one saying that the NX is probably going to sell less than the 3DS(and thus being somewhat of a failure if its a hybrid after all).People gave no chance to the PS4 in Japan yes, but you go on and do the same for a system that havent even be officially announced.You can complain, but you are also part of the "issue".

And to be quite honest, if you compare the sales of the PS4 to the rest of the world, it is a bit dissapointing.Yes I know, there is the situation Japan is now regarding consoles that makes that number seem good(and be good), but it is still a tad dissapointing.And before you say it, the 3DS already sold 20 million+ in Japan.It could sell more(as I said, its far from the best selling handheld), but I can give it more slck due to those facts.



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Culipechi on 03 August 2016
Kerotan said:
Culipechi said:
Thanks to this forums i learned that 20k is an outstanding number.

For a console to do that on its summer drought in a market that's supposedly deader than a dodo is excellent.  

Yes indeed, excelent...



Acevil on 03 August 2016
Culipechi said:
Kerotan said:

For a console to do that on its summer drought in a market that's supposedly deader than a dodo is excellent.  

Yes indeed, excelent...

Don't worry soon it will be get a boost to 100k from Final Fantasy, and people will think that is extreme beasting and excellent numbers, forgetting what previous console boosts were when such a title came out. 



 

bluedawgs on 03 August 2016

I predicted this on gaf last year i think and got laughed out of the building, but I still think PS4 will sell 2 million this year in Japan, the holidays should be real good for it, and the neo will definitely increase that baseline along with the endless games starting soon and lasting until the end of the year



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Ryng on 03 August 2016
Acevil said:
Culipechi said:

Yes indeed, excelent...

Don't worry soon it will be get a boost to 100k from Final Fantasy,

Withouth bundle, PS4 won't sell more than what it sold during the Metal Gear V week.



BlowoverKing on 03 August 2016

Ugh at those Toukiden 2 numbers. I knew it was going to be bad but it's still depressing. Like I said in the COMG thread a while back, the series had promise to be a nice compliment to God Eater on Vita (both in sales and appeal) but alas they had to go and ruin it. Hopefelly it will have some legs but I'm not counting on it.

On a happier note Ys VIII had a MUCH better hold than Memories of Celceta and a bit better than even Ys VII.  MoC had less than 5k on it's second week so it's nice to see some improvement for the series. Hell Ys VII is at about 70k LTD so it should even better those numbers as well.



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Culipechi on 03 August 2016
Acevil said:
Culipechi said:

Yes indeed, excelent...

Don't worry soon it will be get a boost to 100k from Final Fantasy, and people will think that is extreme beasting and excellent numbers, forgetting what previous console boosts were when such a title came out. 

Yes, im sure of it.



Kerotan on 03 August 2016
Nautilus said:
Kerotan said:

This is all over the place so let me make my views clear.  

 

For years on media create threads both Vgchartz threads the general consensus has been nothing but negative doom regarding the ps4. 

 

2014 when it's summer average was 5k a week the ps4 wouldn't sell 5m Ltd and it would never pass the Wii U.  It would most certainly not outsell the 3DS.  

 

Console market dead and every game should shift to the 3DS or next Nintendo handheld they said. 

 

2015 the Sumner average is up to 10k. Still not good enough.  the ps3 was doing similar in its second year.  But nobody gave the ps4 a chance to rebound like it did.  It would fall way behind in 2016 launch alligned. And it will have no chance vs the 3DS in 2016. 

 

Now move to 2016, the ps4 like the ps3 in its 3rd year is having a great year.  Good early month sales and an excellent summer drought baseline of 20k+. But apparantly that's not impressive despite 2 years earlier sales like this not being possible because "home console market dead".  

 

Now it's got many big titles coming in the next 8 months.  After that many titles will drop ps4 support and be ps4 only. 

 

Psvr,  PS Neo,  PS slim,  great potential to cut the base price far lower then the ps3 ever did.  All these positives are yet to come.  

 

Ps4 will definitely sell over 8m. Possibly over 10m. It's perfectly on track as of now.  I'd consider these sales excellent for such a tough market dominated by handhelds and even more so by android / iOS.  And especially when many claimed the ps4 would sell half of that.  

 

People nowadays can spin the ps4 regularly beating the 3DS as not impressive but 2 years ago and 1 year ago most people gave it no chance.  

Well you do have a point.But as always, people exagerrate.Its the internet after all.You cant take them too seriously, otherwise you will go insane.But you cant really blame them, since you also do the same.I mean, you just made a statement some posts before this one saying that the NX is probably going to sell less than the 3DS(and thus being somewhat of a failure if its a hybrid after all).People gave no chance to the PS4 in Japan yes, but you go on and do the same for a system that havent even be officially announced.You can complain, but you are also part of the "issue".

And to be quite honest, if you compare the sales of the PS4 to the rest of the world, it is a bit dissapointing.Yes I know, there is the situation Japan is now regarding consoles that makes that number seem good(and be good), but it is still a tad dissapointing.And before you say it, the 3DS already sold 20 million+ in Japan.It could sell more(as I said, its far from the best selling handheld), but I can give it more slck due to those facts.

I never suggested the NX would be a failure.  I said I think it will decline further.  If NX is the Wii U and 3DS successor and it sells 17m for example then that's good.  A decline but still good.  Just like if the ps4 sells 8m+ I think it's good and if it manages 10m+ then it's excellent. 

 

I don't think these sales are disappointing compared to the rest of the world.  Different markets and different circumstances.  In Japan even threatening to match the ps3 numbers is good. The rest of the world is not like Japan so that's really not important.  



Kerotan on 03 August 2016
bluedawgs said:
I predicted this on gaf last year i think and got laughed out of the building, but I still think PS4 will sell 2 million this year in Japan, the holidays should be real good for it, and the neo will definitely increase that baseline along with the endless games starting soon and lasting until the end of the year

I personally think 1.7m this year but you're tight.  If you predicted the 2016 sales last year you were laughed at and called crazy.  Nobody expected the ps4 to sell as well as it is and now that it has they're shifting the goal posts so they can keep saying ps4 sales aren't good.  Which they are.