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Who will win Super Bowl LI?

New England Patriots 51 47.66%
 
Kansas City Chiefs 3 2.80%
 
Pittsburgh Steelers 6 5.61%
 
Other (AFC) 3 2.80%
 
Dallas Cowboys 10 9.35%
 
Atlanta Falcons 15 14.02%
 
Seattle Seahawks 5 4.67%
 
Green Bay Packers 5 4.67%
 
Other (NFC) 4 3.74%
 
Scoreboard 5 4.67%
 
Total:107
LudicrousSpeed said:
Broncos first five games were pretty brutal. Panthers, Colts, @Bengals, Bucs, Falcons. Idk what the records are, but those are 4 pretty good teams and then the Colts. Last season they made enough plays to win close games. They started this season doing that, but their luck run out as the season went on. And late in the season you need to be able to run the ball, the Broncos lost all ability to do that when CJ went down.

Front office clearly thought the defense was good enough to overcome such a pathetic offense, they were clearly wrong. Some of the stuff can be slightly excused due to injury, but there was no reason they needed to field the offensive line that they did. And the offense has literally zero creativity. Look at what KC is doing with Hill or Kelce, haven't seen anything like that in Denver since McDaniels was the HC.

The defense will still be great next season, though. They need to sign 3 or 9 offensive linemen and try to find a play maker at TE.

That's...one good team, one decent team, and three mediocre-bad teams (those teams have a combined record of 36-38-1 currently). Unless you play in the AFC South, you're probably not getting an opening slate much easier than that as a division winner from the previous year. Denver had a tough schedule, in large part due to Oakland and KC improving dramatically, but what really cost them was losing the games they should have won easily. Losing to Tennessee, or San Diego, or that still ridiculous decision to try and kick a field goal from midfield in OT against a division opponent that probably cost them a tie against KC. When you play a back half of the schedule as tough as Denver's, you can't afford to let the easier games slip away.

Also wow, never thought I would see a Denver fan speaking of McDaniels head coaching days fondly.



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Record doesn't mean anything. Panthers have a bad record but are a tough team. Bengals were way better early in the season before their injuries starting piling up. Bucs might get a playoff spot, Falcons will probably end up the #2 seed in the NFC.

Nothing fond about McDaniels going on here. His creative stuff rarely worked, but at least it was there. Worst head.coach I have seen.



LudicrousSpeed said:
Record doesn't mean anything. Panthers have a bad record but are a tough team. Bengals were way better early in the season before their injuries starting piling up. Bucs might get a playoff spot, Falcons will probably end up the #2 seed in the NFC.

Nothing fond about McDaniels going on here. His creative stuff rarely worked, but at least it was there. Worst head.coach I have seen.

...record means quite a bit. It may not mean everything, but if you don't win games, you aren't a good team, plain and simple.

The Panthers have never been a particularly tough team this season. They lost by 33 points to Seattle. They've never been above .500. Their win over the Redskins was their first win over a team with a winning record this year. Carolina isn't awful, but they're nowhere near good.

Bengals were not way better earlier, either. Started 2-4. Half of their wins this season have come against the Browns. They too only have one win against a +.500 team, that being the Dolphins.

And, incidentially, if you're going to make arguments about how a team did earlier in the season, it's worth noting that the Bucs actually were far worse during the first six games (when the Broncos played them) than afterwards. After starting 2-4, they've gone 5-2. Denver played them in Week 4.

To put it simply, Denver's first five games included one team that will make the playoffs this season (Tampa isn't going unless 10 or so games go their way to win an obscure tiebreak with Green Bay). They went 4-1 in those games anyway, so the opening slate wasn't the Broncos' undoing. It was them blowing games that they should have won; specifically San Diego and Tennessee. When you play in the NFL's toughest division, you can't afford to lose games like that.

And, wow, worst head coach you've ever seen? I'd say you must be new to this whole NFL thing, except there are plenty of worse coaches that were employed this year. Look up Dick MacPherson if you want a truly awful NFL coach.



Dallas by 10 tonight



RolStoppable said:
MTZehvor said:

Tampa Bay: Beat Carolina + Kansas City beats Denver + Detroit Loss to Dallas + Green Bay Loss to Detroit + Washington Loss to New York + Dallas beats Philadelphia + San Francisco beats Seattle + Tennessee beats Houston + Indianapolis beats Jacksonville

If anyone's wondering why the last scenario is so convoluted, it's because it would result in Tampa tied with Green Bay for the final wild card spot at 9-7, and just barely edging them out on the Strength of Victory tiebreaker. And I mean barely. If any of those results don't end up happening, Tampa is eliminated.

So to fully respond, Washington losing alone doesn't quite do it, though it would take some crazy bullshit for it to not be enough.

Such scenarios do not count.

But I guess this means there's no chance anymore that Tampa Bay can pass Detroit.

Late response, but yes, Tampa cannot pass Detroit because of the common opponents tiebreaker. Detroit is 3-2 against the Bears, Cowboys, Rams, and Saints, while Tampa went 2-3.



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MTZehvor said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
Record doesn't mean anything. Panthers have a bad record but are a tough team. Bengals were way better early in the season before their injuries starting piling up. Bucs might get a playoff spot, Falcons will probably end up the #2 seed in the NFC.

Nothing fond about McDaniels going on here. His creative stuff rarely worked, but at least it was there. Worst head.coach I have seen.

...record means quite a bit. It may not mean everything, but if you don't win games, you aren't a good team, plain and simple.

We can just agree to disagree. There are a lot of things that go into winning games. Sometimes good, tough teams lose them.

Idk who Dick MacPherson is, I was a kid in 1992 and certainly wasn't watching Patriots football. I am sure you can go way back and find plenty of worse coaches, but as I said, I am talking about coaches I have seen. About the closest thing to as bad as McDaniels that I have seen is Chip Kelly. But at least Kelly is a proven mastermind in the NCAA at head coach. And McDaniel's idiocy extended far beyond the sidelines. He traded Jay Cutler to bring in Kyle Orton, drafted Moreno and countless other bums, dismantled a team that Mike Shanahan had as the #2 offense in the NFL and filled it with ex-Patriots and "McDaniels guys" en route to fielding a below average offense that was saved by Mike Nolan's defense. Once Nolan left in the offseason (couldn't stand McDaniels) the defense crumbled in 2010 and Josh started with a terrible record and was fired. I think maybe the worst offense was him reducing the role of Peyton Hillis to virtually nothing, all because of rumors that Hillis was fucking his wife, LOL. And this happened during a time when the two shitty RB's he brought in (Moreno, Buckhalter) were struggling or out with injury, and he still refused to play him. That about sums up his tenure here in a nut shell, has superior players available but plays his own guys instead because he is in fact a complete moron.

I would be shocked if he ever leaves the nest of Bill before Bill retires, but if he does, whoever hires him would be damn wise to make sure he'll have zero control over any roster or executive decisions.



RolStoppable said:
Nobody changed their pick to Detroit? Not a lot of faith in a Lions team that can clinch a playoff berth against a team that has nothing to play for anymore.

The bolded is exactly why I didn't pick them.



This game is getting out of hand



I have lived as a warrior. I have died as a god. Having suffered the ultimate sacrifice, I have been denied release. I...I will defeat Olympus. I will have my revenge

--Kratos

Welp, Lions played a good game in the 1st half, interestingly enough. Dallas was pretty much without most of it's starters on defense and they still struggled in the 2nd half.



So in what scenario can Washington still make the playoffs? They win and GB/DET loss?



I have lived as a warrior. I have died as a god. Having suffered the ultimate sacrifice, I have been denied release. I...I will defeat Olympus. I will have my revenge

--Kratos