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While his last sentence on the Wii U having better reviewed games is subjective to most people, I don't really see a problem with the rest of his statement. He's just saying that they did not do a good job in conveying the concept of Wii U, especially with the games they had at the time. Of course there are other reasons why the Wii U didn't pan out well. Come on, Kimishima already mentioned it didn't work and Iwata put the blame on himself, taking pay cuts instead of letting go staff. In the end, the Wii U struggled mightily, Nintendo did all they could. If you want to play a decent amount of games that you can't buy anywhere else, then the Wii U can keep you busy.

Though I have a question. Since some have mentioned that Nintendo's home console sales decking has been a trend, would NX really sell less than Wii U? I can't imagine that being that bad, regardless if it's a handheld or home console.



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Hoo boy. I'm having trouble listening to politicians right now.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

Wii U was basically a slightly more powerful 7th gen console in it's specs (both programming language and performance), that also had a complicated marketing message and most importantly (IMO) it's exclusive games weren't really targeted towards the biggest dedicated gaming market, which are people that buy 3rd party games.

If Nintendo could make their own exclusive games targeted towards the western 3rd party audience, then they would do much better in hardware sales and actually sell decent volumes of 3rd party multi-platform games.
Hardware and software need to go hand in hand really, which is something that Sony has gotten since they started making consoles, I don't know why Nintendo forgot that was necessary.

If NX is a reasonably priced platform, with good value hardware, that also features great games you can't buy anywhere else, that will appeal to the western 3rd party audience and it also gets any multi-platform game that people could want, then people would likely buy it.
Obviously a good and clear marketing message needs to be delivered to tell people that this is what NX is all about.
If Nintendo can also do this while also adding portability into the mix I think that could be the thing that makes NX stand out from the competitions systems.

Wii U basically lacks all of this, so it's not surprising that it's sold so poorly, regardless of having a great exclusive library, if those exclusives don't appeal to the majority of people buying dedicated gaming systems and it also lacks everything else that could make them want one, well Nintendo should just own up that this is what they created and when they reveal NX they need to show they've learned from their mistakes.



Kai_Mao said:
While his last sentence on the Wii U having better reviewed games is subjective to most people, I don't really see a problem with the rest of his statement. He's just saying that they did not do a good job in conveying the concept of Wii U, especially with the games they had at the time. Of course there are other reasons why the Wii U didn't pan out well. Come on, Kimishima already mentioned it didn't work and Iwata put the blame on himself, taking pay cuts instead of letting go staff. In the end, the Wii U struggled mightily, Nintendo did all they could. If you want to play a decent amount of games that you can't buy anywhere else, then the Wii U can keep you busy.

Though I have a question. Since some have mentioned that Nintendo's home console sales decking has been a trend, would NX really sell less than Wii U? I can't imagine that being that bad, regardless if it's a handheld or home console.

Nintendo did not " do all they could" for the Wii u-  if that is all they could do they should close up shop now or sell the company-  Nintendo did more to market and support  Splatoon than they did the Wii u 

The Vita has even done more than the Wii u and Sony has not supported it for 2 or 3 years now-   Given all of the resources, history, fan following, incredibly well known and loved IP Nintendo has it is nearly inexplicable the Wii u has done as poorly as it has -  that it could not even surpass a console that was effectively abandoned-   

I don t see the NX doing worse than the Wii u but if it does not sell at least twice as much then it will be considered an even bigger failure due to how badly they need it to succeed in a big way



I still believe that if Super Mario Maker had been a launch title on the Wii U, the console might have had a different fate.

SMM was the first game that adequately explained to gamers what the gamepad could do. Had it been a launch title, I could have seen the Wii U becoming a magnet for various types of creation software and it could have spurred a fair bit of innovation from 3rd parties in this area. Instead, Nintendo made the mistake of thinking: "we don't know what to do with the gamepad, but maybe if we put it out there then we and 3rd parties can figure out how to use it as we go" That doesn't fly and hopefully Nintendo has learned not to release hardware unless they have a complete vision beforehand for what they want the said hardware to accomplish.



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LudicrousSpeed said:
The name was terrible. To this day there are people who think it's just another version of the same Wii console. Should have made it more clear it's a new console with completely new games.

Yeah I think it's overlooked just how bad the naming of the comsole was.  Hell calling it Wii HD would probably have been better.  



pokoko said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Nes - 62m
Snes + GB - 135m
N64 + GBC - 65m
GC + GBA - 100m
Wii + DS - 250m
WiiU + 3DS - 80m (When is all done)

When you combine the sales there is no pattern, no overall decline but a fluctuation.

Why would you combine sales if the topic is home consoles?  Does the success of the PS4 means Sony is doing fine with the Vita?  Makes no sense, that's nothing but deflection.

Maybe if you read the part when he ask me how much devices they sold on prior generations you would understand why I posted that.



To be fair to Nintendo, they hadn't quite realized the damage mobile gaming had done to the possible casual consumer. Very few did. We all saw the start with the initial poor performance of the 3DS, which caused Nintendo to drop the price drastically less than 6 months after launch. We continued to see it with the poor performance of the Vita. And the final realization was after the Wii U, which was Wii 2.0 (underpowered, but cheap, HW with gimmicky controller meant to appeal to casuals), failed to sell even half as well as the Wii. Which makes it very puzzling that Nintendo seems to be trying to reach that same audience with the NX. All I know is they might as well start the price at $169 this time.



GribbleGrunger said:
I wonder why he doesn't want to admit the concept was flawed ...

Be worried.

That's what I wanna know, too. WiiU's concept wasn't all that great ever since the very beginning.



                
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Dunban67 said:
Kai_Mao said:
While his last sentence on the Wii U having better reviewed games is subjective to most people, I don't really see a problem with the rest of his statement. He's just saying that they did not do a good job in conveying the concept of Wii U, especially with the games they had at the time. Of course there are other reasons why the Wii U didn't pan out well. Come on, Kimishima already mentioned it didn't work and Iwata put the blame on himself, taking pay cuts instead of letting go staff. In the end, the Wii U struggled mightily, Nintendo did all they could. If you want to play a decent amount of games that you can't buy anywhere else, then the Wii U can keep you busy.

Though I have a question. Since some have mentioned that Nintendo's home console sales decking has been a trend, would NX really sell less than Wii U? I can't imagine that being that bad, regardless if it's a handheld or home console.

Nintendo did not " do all they could" for the Wii u-  if that is all they could do they should close up shop now or sell the company-  Nintendo did more to market and support  Splatoon than they did the Wii u 

The Vita has even done more than the Wii u and Sony has not supported it for 2 or 3 years now-   Given all of the resources, history, fan following, incredibly well known and loved IP Nintendo has it is nearly inexplicable the Wii u has done as poorly as it has -  that it could not even surpass a console that was effectively abandoned-   

I don t see the NX doing worse than the Wii u but if it does not sell at least twice as much then it will be considered an even bigger failure due to how badly they need it to succeed in a big way

What I meant is that Nintendo could only do so much at this point. They out out the big guns and while Splatoon, Mario Kart, and Smash have done wonders in terms of sales, they haven't done enough to entice more consumers to their product. Marketing wise, they haven't done enough I get it. But in terms of putting games that can move Wii U sales, yeah they did all they could. Zelda could do that too, but development has shown that they really had to put everything out there for that game to be what we know now, a huge game that we only scratched the surface of and that could potentially be the biggest game Nintendo has ever done. You could say they could've done a Metroid or F-Zero game, but as history has shown, they don't move consoles as much as we or Nintendo would hope.

The Vita is still getting Japanese support, despite Sony's abandonment. Wii U is basically carried by Nintendo who could only so much, especially with HD development being more expensive and time consuming. Plus they went back and forth between supporting 3DS and Wii U. That is why the merged their teams together recently. Now they're prepping for NX and have mobile to worry about as well.

We'll just see how NX goes. It also depends on whether they profit or not, that determines their success.