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Is Donald Trump a sociopath?

Yes 303 60.84%
 
No 195 39.16%
 
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fatslob-:O said:
JWeinCom said:

YES!!! YES WE SHOULD! YES YOU ARE RIGHT! Because the "only difference" of being a presidential candidate is a BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE!  I expect my team's quarterback to be better at throwing a ball then me.  I expect my surgeon to be better at surgery than me.  I expect my mechanic to know more about cars than me.  And I expect my presidential candidates to be better than me at making informed decisions, knowing about foreign policy, and not engendering hatred and violence.  THEY WILL HAVE THE POWER TO END THE FUCKING WORLD AND THAT IS NOT A FUCKING EXAGGERATION!  THEY WILL LITERALLY HAVE THE FUCKING POWER TO END THE WORLD! THEY WILL LITERALLY HAVE THE FUCKING POWER TO END THE WORLD!  I KNOW I'M REPEATING THAT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY FUCKING IMPORTANT!

They don't have any obligation to be anything.  YOU'RE THE ONE WITH THE FUCKING OBLIGATION.  YOU have the obligation to TAKE IT FUCKING SERIOUSLY WHEN A CANDIDATE SAYS HE WOULD FORCE THE ARMED SERVICE TO INTENTIONALLY MURDER CIVILIANS.  YOU have the obligation to TAKE IT FUCKING SERIOUSLY WHEN A CANDIDATE SAYS WE SHOULD CONSIDER A DATABASE FOR MEMBERS OF A CERTAIN RELIGION.  YOU have an obligation to TAKE IT FUCKING SERIOUSLY WHEN A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE DOESN'T KNOW A GOD DAMN THING ABOUT FOREIGN AFFAIRS.  YOU have an obligation to TAKE IT FUCKING SERIOUSLY WHEN A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE SAYS THAT MOST MEMBERS OF A PARTICULAR RACE ARE RAPISTS AND DRUG DEALERS.  YOU have and obligation to TAKE IT SERIOUSLY WHEN A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDAT INCITES RACIAL HATRED BY TWEETING IMAGES THAT SAY 81% OF WHITE HOMOCIDE VICTIMS ARE KILLED BY BLACK PEOPLE.  YOU have the obligation to TAKE IT FUCKING SERIOUSLY WHEN SOMEONE WILL NOT DENOUNCE THE FORMER GRAND WIZARD OF THE KLU KLUX KLAN AND PRETENDS HE DOESN'T KNOW WHO HE IS DESPITE HAVING SPOKEN ABOUT HIM IN PAST INTERVIEWS.  And this is not demonizing.  Trump has said all of these things point blank. 

I know that democracy doesn't guarantee the best candidate or a particularly good one.  I know that because about 90% of my family was killed by a democratically elected leader, and it's simply dumb luck that my family got kicked out of Germany before shit went down, or else I wouldn't be here right now.  And you know how leaders like that get into power?

WHEN PEOPLE DON'T HOLD THEIR CANDIDATES TO HIGHER FUCKING STANDARDS THAN RANDOM FUCKERS ON A GOD DAMN VIDEO GAME MESSAGE BOARD AND ARE WILLING TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY WHEN CANDIDATES OPENLY SUGGEST VIOLENCE, INCITE RACISM, ADVOCATE WAR CRIMES, AND GENERALLY SHOW THEMSELVES TO BE IGNORANT DERANGED FUCKTARDS.

God damn it.  I don't even have anything against  the legitimate Trump supporters.  If you're the kind of person who is ignorant enough to actually support that shit, then you're too god damn stupid to even be angry at.  It's like getting angry at a dog for rubbing its ass on the carpet.  What pisses me off, frankly, is people like you.  I'm fairly sure that you're smart enough to realize how dangerous the shit Trump is saying is, and I'm fairly sure you're decent enough to not support it.  But for whatever reason, you refuse to actually hold Trump accountable for any of it.  I mean, to be more upset about liberals being uncivil to Trump than Trump advocating this shit... What the fuck.  If you honestly don't expect more from YOUR choice for president than you expect out of some fucker like me on the internet, then you're part of the problem.

Problem is those professions DO have clear criteria, being a "great" president or a leader on the other hand does NOT, that is FINAL! 

You are right that WE as CITIZENS do have an obligation but that does NOT mean we have or share a COMMON GOAL! 

If you know what democracy doesn't guarantee then why fucking fight about it when your at the mercy at the decision of millions of other people ? 

Again, that's their decision to make and you should hold higher standards for every voter out there BECAUSE THEIR THE ONES WHO'S GOING TO FUCK SHIT UP DAMNIT IF THEY DEMAND IT! 

No you DO have something against legitimate Trump supporters if you think they're "TOO GOD DAMN STUPID" to be angry at but real life isn't quite as noble or rosy as you even remotely make it out to be since there are people out there other than Trump who ACTUALLY think like that and ignoring a problem is just stupid when you see tens of millions of them which isn't going away for a long time and quite frankly the president being better than the common man is a load of BULL-FUCKING-SHIT when the guy that you put in the office is only reflects what the citizens their BEST WISHES. The ONLY way your concerns will ever be put to rest is if you start by directly IMPROVING THE COMMON MAN and not just you but that goes for EVERY one of Trump's detractors otherwise you will get something like #Brexit which was also based on hate or fears ... 

EVERYONE IS ALWAYS AT THE MERCY OF HOPE FROM OTHERS IN A DEMOCRACY ... 

As it is if you don't want to face the problem at hand then just hope that they don't vote Trump much like how the others do hope that they do vote for him as if this is a NEVER ENDING CYCLE ... 

People voting based on who they would want to have a beer with and not who is best qualified has gotten us some questionable presidents. fatslob do you want to have a beer with Trump?



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JWeinCom said:
outlawauron said:

So, when I heard the backlash from his comments, and I went and listened the speech. I don't see the coorelation as much as I was being told.

Real talk, how is this inciting violence any more than encouraging people to protest for any other perceived injustice? I see no difference in his comments about people standing up for what's important to them and the White House encouraging the BLM protests. I don't believe either person/group is inciting or wishing violence on people even though that may be the result of encouraging those people.

Well, there are a few major differences.

First off, he's referring to "second ammendment people", which is a group defined by gun ownership.  And he's not suggesting they protest.  He said "if Hillary gets her justices, there's nothing you can do."  There's nothing you can do implies that protesting isn't going to be effective.  Then he suggested that a "maybe" there's something that people identified by gun ownership could do "he doesn't know". 

If he meant protest, he could have said, protest.  Why the awkwardly vague phrasing of "maybe they could do something about it"?  And why did he immediately distance himself by saying "I don't know"?  He was being clear enough to get the message across but just ambiguous enough to deny it.

But, I might give him the benefit of the doubt if he doesn't have a history of this.  Hillary said something kind of sketchy (not as much so) about Obama 8 years ago.  When she was losing, she was asked about the outlook, and she pointed out how elections could change.  Among other examples, she mentioned the Bobbie Kennedy assassination. 

Now, that's definitely a really terrible way to phrase it.  But, considered in the context of what Hillary says, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that it was just bad phrasing.  However, Drumpf has said lots of things specifically to incite anger or violence.  He recently said that Barack Obama "founded" ISIS.  When asked if he meant in a metaphorical manner, he insisted it was literal.  That's a dangerous thing for a candidate to say, not to mention obviously false.  He suggested the his supporters should "knock the crap out of" a protestor, and offered to pay the legal bills of anyone who did so. He encouraged Russia to hack into American servers.  He said of one of the Democratic speakers (presumably Bloomberg) " I was gonna hit one guy in particular, a very little guy, I was gonna hit this guy so hard his head would spin and he wouldn't know what the hell happened."  He said of a protestor in Nevada, "I'd like to punch him in the face".  He also said he could shoot someone on fifth a avenue and he wouldn't lose any support.

Again, if this was a one-off slip, I'd probably excuse it.  But it's part of a pattern of increasingly violent suggestions that would be very concerning to anyone, even if they weren't in the running for a position that comes with a nuclear arsenal.  At a certain point, we have to stop taking it as a joke.

By "if hillary gets her justices", he meant you need to stand with him so Hillary doesn't get elected. Rousing up that base of voters to take a stronger side. He's pointing to her and SC justice decisions as the reason why 2nd amendment rights would be limited or banned. I take it as "rally behind me, because you'll be out of options with her".

Bandorr said:
outlawauron said:

wat. He deliberately encouraged something ambigous? So he encouraged nothing, but now you're saying it's for assasination. I mean, I think a lot of things he says are dumb, but saying that people care about the 2nd Amendment can stop Hillary/Democrats from limiting/banning guns isn't a call for hit. It's reactions like this that make it so because you want to believe he's an evil, fascist sociopath.

Really, I could turn your entire answer around and make it about the other side using the same logic.

My issue with the statement is that it is dangerous, and careless. He made not have been intending to incite violence, but he may have accidentally done that anyways.

There are many difference ways to write the speech that doesn't give that impression. So he either intended it to have that impression, or was careless in the construction of the speech.

When speaking to many people you need to be careful of what you are saying, and try to be careful about what they are hearing. If there is a chance that a large amount people could misinterperate what you are saying - then it is your duty to change it.

It was very silly, but goes along with his adlib speeches at these things. I believe that he just kinda makes things up as he goes and just freestyles it. Brash is how he's always done it.



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JWeinCom said:

YES!!! YES WE SHOULD! YES YOU ARE RIGHT! Because the "only difference" of being a presidential candidate is a BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE!  I expect my team's quarterback to be better at throwing a ball then me.  I expect my surgeon to be better at surgery than me.  I expect my mechanic to know more about cars than me.  And I expect my presidential candidates to be better than me at making informed decisions, knowing about foreign policy, and not engendering hatred and violence.  THEY WILL HAVE THE POWER TO END THE FUCKING WORLD AND THAT IS NOT A FUCKING EXAGGERATION!  THEY WILL LITERALLY HAVE THE FUCKING POWER TO END THE WORLD! THEY WILL LITERALLY HAVE THE FUCKING POWER TO END THE WORLD!  I KNOW I'M REPEATING THAT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY FUCKING IMPORTANT!

They don't have any obligation to be anything.  YOU'RE THE ONE WITH THE FUCKING OBLIGATION.  YOU have the obligation to TAKE IT FUCKING SERIOUSLY WHEN A CANDIDATE SAYS HE WOULD FORCE THE ARMED SERVICE TO INTENTIONALLY MURDER CIVILIANS.  YOU have the obligation to TAKE IT FUCKING SERIOUSLY WHEN A CANDIDATE SAYS WE SHOULD CONSIDER A DATABASE FOR MEMBERS OF A CERTAIN RELIGION.  YOU have an obligation to TAKE IT FUCKING SERIOUSLY WHEN A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE DOESN'T KNOW A GOD DAMN THING ABOUT FOREIGN AFFAIRS.  YOU have an obligation to TAKE IT FUCKING SERIOUSLY WHEN A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE SAYS THAT MOST MEMBERS OF A PARTICULAR RACE ARE RAPISTS AND DRUG DEALERS.  YOU have and obligation to TAKE IT SERIOUSLY WHEN A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDAT INCITES RACIAL HATRED BY TWEETING IMAGES THAT SAY 81% OF WHITE HOMOCIDE VICTIMS ARE KILLED BY BLACK PEOPLE.  YOU have the obligation to TAKE IT FUCKING SERIOUSLY WHEN SOMEONE WILL NOT DENOUNCE THE FORMER GRAND WIZARD OF THE KLU KLUX KLAN AND PRETENDS HE DOESN'T KNOW WHO HE IS DESPITE HAVING SPOKEN ABOUT HIM IN PAST INTERVIEWS.  And this is not demonizing.  Trump has said all of these things point blank. 

I know that democracy doesn't guarantee the best candidate or a particularly good one.  I know that because about 90% of my family was killed by a democratically elected leader, and it's simply dumb luck that my family got kicked out of Germany before shit went down, or else I wouldn't be here right now.  And you know how leaders like that get into power?

WHEN PEOPLE DON'T HOLD THEIR CANDIDATES TO HIGHER FUCKING STANDARDS THAN RANDOM FUCKERS ON A GOD DAMN VIDEO GAME MESSAGE BOARD AND ARE WILLING TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY WHEN CANDIDATES OPENLY SUGGEST VIOLENCE, INCITE RACISM, ADVOCATE WAR CRIMES, AND GENERALLY SHOW THEMSELVES TO BE IGNORANT DERANGED FUCKTARDS.

God damn it.  I don't even have anything against  the legitimate Trump supporters.  If you're the kind of person who is ignorant enough to actually support that shit, then you're too god damn stupid to even be angry at.  It's like getting angry at a dog for rubbing its ass on the carpet.  What pisses me off, frankly, is people like you.  I'm fairly sure that you're smart enough to realize how dangerous the shit Trump is saying is, and I'm fairly sure you're decent enough to not support it.  But for whatever reason, you refuse to actually hold Trump accountable for any of it.  I mean, to be more upset about liberals being uncivil to Trump than Trump advocating this shit... What the fuck.  If you honestly don't expect more from YOUR choice for president than you expect out of some fucker like me on the internet, then you're part of the problem.

This is the most biting satire that I have ever witnessed. Your post truly encapsulates the stereotypical uncritical media-swallowing liberal voter and their willingness to buy into the narrative; even when common sense clearly suggests that a quote was taken out of context and exaggerated to drive the point home. The arrogance in display is particularly convincing.

Kudos.



Dyllyo said:

Narcissistic liar and egomaniac, yes. Sociopath? Can't really say for sure. Sociopath implies he has some sort of strategy or thought behind his actions.

Actually I very much believe that Trump has a stragety behind his actions and so far it has gotten him on the road to being president.  I believe the thing people miss is that Trump coffers is not that strong.  Compared to Hillary, Trump is very light on the money and thus his goal as it worked in the Republican Primaries is to Stay in the news as much as possible.  The only way to do that is to constantly say things that are talked about for weeks.  By doing this Trump has to use very little money for ads and thus keep his message going even if it's bat shit crazy.



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fatslob-:O said:

Problem is those professions DO have clear criteria, being a "great" president or a leader on the other hand does NOT, that is FINAL! 

You are right that WE as CITIZENS do have an obligation but that does NOT mean we have or share a COMMON GOAL! 

If you know what democracy doesn't guarantee then why fucking fight about it when your at the mercy at the decision of millions of other people ? 

Again, that's their decision to make and you should hold higher standards for every voter out there BECAUSE THEIR THE ONES WHO'S GOING TO FUCK SHIT UP DAMNIT IF THEY DEMAND IT! 

No you DO have something against legitimate Drumpf supporters if you think they're "TOO GOD DAMN STUPID" to be angry at but real life isn't quite as noble or rosy as you even remotely make it out to be since there are people out there other than Drumpf who ACTUALLY think like that and ignoring a problem is just stupid when you see tens of millions of them which isn't going away for a long time and quite frankly the president being better than the common man is a load of BULL-FUCKING-SHIT when the guy that you put in the office is only reflects what the citizens their BEST WISHES. The ONLY way your concerns will ever be put to rest is if you start by directly IMPROVING THE COMMON MAN and not just you but that goes for EVERY one of Drumpf's detractors otherwise you will get something like #Brexit which was also based on hate or fears ... 

EVERYONE IS ALWAYS AT THE MERCY OF HOPE FROM OTHERS IN A DEMOCRACY ... 

As it is if you don't want to face the problem at hand then just hope that they don't vote Drumpf much like how the others do hope that they do vote for him as if this is a NEVER ENDING CYCLE ... 

First off, I mainly just needed to rant about Trump, and that just happened to be an opportunity.  So, don't take it too personally.

We actually do have a clear criteria about what being the best president means.  The president's jobs are very clearly laid out in the constitution.  You can argue about what the best way to go about these duties is, just like you could argue about which quarterback gives you the best chance of winning.  But, arguing that we violate the first amendment by putting Muslims on a registry is objectively bad presidenting.  Not knowing that Russia has already invaded the Ukraine is objectively bad presidenting.  Arguing that we deport US born citizens in defiance of the 14th amendment is objectively bad presidenting.  

And if you support the things Donald Trump actually says, yes you are too god damn stupid to get mad at.  If you support things like, "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best... they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime.  They're rapists.  And some, I assume, are good people."  If you think actually support statements like that and the others I mentioned, then you're too stupid to be angry at.  And I don't have anything against them.  I don't have anything against stupid people.  You have to work with what you have.

But, I don't think you're stupid.  I think you are fully capable of rationally evaluating Trump's statements, yet you refuse to.  You said that people are being unfair to Trump, but you refuse to address any of the horrible things he's said or suggested that I've brought up, or that anyone else has.  You've accused of us demonizing Trump, yet you haven't been able to refute anything we've said.  

Instead you're going off on nonsense telling me that people choose who they want in a democracy which is like no shit Sherlock.  I know I'm at the mercy of others, you being one of them, and that is the reason I'm fighting about it.  Because I want you to actually think about what the candidates are saying, and whether or not you support those things, so you'll actually make a rational and informed decision.  Yet for some reason, you seem completely unwilling to run Trump's statements through your brain and seem to be implying that it's ok for him to say whatever he wants and we shouldn't be upset because we're at the mercy of voters or some such shit.



outlawauron said:

By "if hillary gets her justices", he meant you need to stand with him so Hillary doesn't get elected. Rousing up that base of voters to take a stronger side. He's pointing to her and SC justice decisions as the reason why 2nd amendment rights would be limited or banned. I take it as "rally behind me, because you'll be out of options with her".


It was very silly, but goes along with his adlib speeches at these things. I believe that he just kinda makes things up as he goes and just freestyles it. Brash is how he's always done it.

"If Hillary gets her justices there's nothing you could do."

This is a basic before and after relationship.  If A then B. 

The "nothing you can do" part comes AFTER Hillary gets elected.  So, the "maybe there's something the second ammendment people could do" part is about what could be done AFTER Hillary is theoretically elected.  That's just basic sentence structure.  You can argue that Trump is too stupid to speak coherently, but you can't argue that he was saying that voters should rally behind him, because he just wasn't.

And you need to stop giving him the benefit of the doubt.  Like, when I heard him say "Barrack Obama is the founder of ISIS" I was actually arguing with people that he meant that Barrack Obama's policy decisions led to the formation of ISIS.  Than in an interview he was all like "nope, I meant he actually founded ISIS."

Again consider the context of the statements he keeps making.  



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
JWeinCom said:

YES!!! YES WE SHOULD! YES YOU ARE RIGHT! Because the "only difference" of being a presidential candidate is a BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE!  I expect my team's quarterback to be better at throwing a ball then me.  I expect my surgeon to be better at surgery than me.  I expect my mechanic to know more about cars than me.  And I expect my presidential candidates to be better than me at making informed decisions, knowing about foreign policy, and not engendering hatred and violence.  THEY WILL HAVE THE POWER TO END THE FUCKING WORLD AND THAT IS NOT A FUCKING EXAGGERATION!  THEY WILL LITERALLY HAVE THE FUCKING POWER TO END THE WORLD! THEY WILL LITERALLY HAVE THE FUCKING POWER TO END THE WORLD!  I KNOW I'M REPEATING THAT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY FUCKING IMPORTANT!

They don't have any obligation to be anything.  YOU'RE THE ONE WITH THE FUCKING OBLIGATION.  YOU have the obligation to TAKE IT FUCKING SERIOUSLY WHEN A CANDIDATE SAYS HE WOULD FORCE THE ARMED SERVICE TO INTENTIONALLY MURDER CIVILIANS.  YOU have the obligation to TAKE IT FUCKING SERIOUSLY WHEN A CANDIDATE SAYS WE SHOULD CONSIDER A DATABASE FOR MEMBERS OF A CERTAIN RELIGION.  YOU have an obligation to TAKE IT FUCKING SERIOUSLY WHEN A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE DOESN'T KNOW A GOD DAMN THING ABOUT FOREIGN AFFAIRS.  YOU have an obligation to TAKE IT FUCKING SERIOUSLY WHEN A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE SAYS THAT MOST MEMBERS OF A PARTICULAR RACE ARE RAPISTS AND DRUG DEALERS.  YOU have and obligation to TAKE IT SERIOUSLY WHEN A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDAT INCITES RACIAL HATRED BY TWEETING IMAGES THAT SAY 81% OF WHITE HOMOCIDE VICTIMS ARE KILLED BY BLACK PEOPLE.  YOU have the obligation to TAKE IT FUCKING SERIOUSLY WHEN SOMEONE WILL NOT DENOUNCE THE FORMER GRAND WIZARD OF THE KLU KLUX KLAN AND PRETENDS HE DOESN'T KNOW WHO HE IS DESPITE HAVING SPOKEN ABOUT HIM IN PAST INTERVIEWS.  And this is not demonizing.  Drumpf has said all of these things point blank. 

I know that democracy doesn't guarantee the best candidate or a particularly good one.  I know that because about 90% of my family was killed by a democratically elected leader, and it's simply dumb luck that my family got kicked out of Germany before shit went down, or else I wouldn't be here right now.  And you know how leaders like that get into power?

WHEN PEOPLE DON'T HOLD THEIR CANDIDATES TO HIGHER FUCKING STANDARDS THAN RANDOM FUCKERS ON A GOD DAMN VIDEO GAME MESSAGE BOARD AND ARE WILLING TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY WHEN CANDIDATES OPENLY SUGGEST VIOLENCE, INCITE RACISM, ADVOCATE WAR CRIMES, AND GENERALLY SHOW THEMSELVES TO BE IGNORANT DERANGED FUCKTARDS.

God damn it.  I don't even have anything against  the legitimate Drumpf supporters.  If you're the kind of person who is ignorant enough to actually support that shit, then you're too god damn stupid to even be angry at.  It's like getting angry at a dog for rubbing its ass on the carpet.  What pisses me off, frankly, is people like you.  I'm fairly sure that you're smart enough to realize how dangerous the shit Drumpf is saying is, and I'm fairly sure you're decent enough to not support it.  But for whatever reason, you refuse to actually hold Drumpf accountable for any of it.  I mean, to be more upset about liberals being uncivil to Drumpf than Drumpf advocating this shit... What the fuck.  If you honestly don't expect more from YOUR choice for president than you expect out of some fucker like me on the internet, then you're part of the problem.

This is the most biting satire that I have ever witnessed. Your post truly encapsulates the stereotypical uncritical media-swallowing liberal voter and their willingness to buy into the narrative; even when common sense clearly suggests that a quote was taken out of context and exaggerated to drive the point home. The arrogance in display is particularly convincing.

Kudos.

How about instead of just insulting me and repeating trite things like "blah blah blah liberal blah blah blah media" you actually explain to me what I've said that is taken out of context and inaccurate.  I'll be happy to discuss anything and admit it if I'm wrong.  But I'm not exactly holding my breath here.  It seems a lot of people want to defend Drumpf without actually addressing anything he says.  And no more ad hominen attacks please.

SpokenTruth said:
Sociopath is not an official medical diagnosis. The actual term is Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Of which, Donald Drumpf is a textbook case.

Many of his supporters can also be diagnosed with denial and minimization.

Not exactly.  Sociopathy isn't an official diagnosis, but it's usually used to describe antisocial personality disorder.  It's similar in many ways to narcissistic personality disorder, and it's common for them to be comorbid, but they're different things.  Personality disorders are a really iffy part of psychology anyway. 



both trump and hillary are sociopath
ww3 will happen this year or early 2017
if one of these 2 idiots get elected
and obama is crazy 2
they only good leader these days is putin



princevenom said:

both trump and hillary are sociopath
ww3 will happen this year or early 2017
if one of these 2 idiots get elected
and obama is crazy 2
they only good leader these days is putin

Putin is only one stupid enough to push a WW3, most other countries get along well enough. He needs to stay out of Ukraine. 

Clinton is reasonable and level headed, no chance of WW3 under her watch (who would it even be against?). 

Probably not even under Trump, though he'd be a terrible president in a number of different ways.