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Bandorr said:
jason1637 said:

She'es a criminal because of the email scandal.

Despite the fact the FBI said "The FBI director said that no "reasonable prosecutor" would bring criminal charges in this matter, and, for that reason, the FBI will not recommend that criminal charges be brought upon Hillary Clinton.".

Hard to be a criminal with no criminal charges brought against you. Little alone being found guilty of those charges..

What she did wasnt legal. When the FBI addressed this they things they said that Clinton did arent legal, if any other person that isnt nowhere as big as clinton did what she did they would be in a lot of trouble. IMOthe decision the FBI made is bull.



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bunchanumbers said:
jason1637 said:

She'es a criminal because of the email scandal.

Trump already asked the russians for the emails. They already hacked the DNC, Hillary campaign computers, and the Congressional Campaign Committee. Hillary may have done some unwise things, but she never asked a rival country to actively attack her country to undermine a opponent. Trump is bordering on treason at this point.

He was joking and the media ran with it. The DNC emails were leaked 4 days ago and Trumps sarcastic statements were said 2 days ago. He had nothing to do with the DNC leaks



jason1637 said:
bunchanumbers said:

Trump already asked the russians for the emails. They already hacked the DNC, Hillary campaign computers, and the Congressional Campaign Committee. Hillary may have done some unwise things, but she never asked a rival country to actively attack her country to undermine a opponent. Trump is bordering on treason at this point.

He was joking and the media ran with it. The DNC emails were leaked 4 days ago and Trumps sarcastic statements were said 2 days ago. He had nothing to do with the DNC leaks

You call asking a foreign entity to attack your country to undermine a opponent a joke?

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said during a news conference here in an apparent reference to Mrs. Clinton’s deleted emails. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

Please tell me where the punch line is at so I can laugh.



Naum said:
Seriously do you (US) americans know how F**king scared the rest of the world is if you elect that f**king idiot? seriously this is no longer just a US thing, the whole world is involved in this... and let me tell you, you owe the rest of the world this... do not put that idiot in power, I don't care if you are a hardcore republican... you can wait 4 year to the next election.

More like the rest of the world owes America. We invented and usher a new era of innovation in technology. While the rest of the world sits and do nothing but blow each other up. 



bunchanumbers said:

You call asking a foreign entity to attack your country to undermine a opponent a joke?

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said during a news conference here in an apparent reference to Mrs. Clinton’s deleted emails. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

Please tell me where the punch line is at so I can laugh.

Since when did DNC/Clinton = USA ? 

It's just daft to assume that a subset being targetted means that the entire set is at risk ... 



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fatslob-:O said:
bunchanumbers said:

You call asking a foreign entity to attack your country to undermine a opponent a joke?

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said during a news conference here in an apparent reference to Mrs. Clinton’s deleted emails. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

Please tell me where the punch line is at so I can laugh.

Since when did DNC/Clinton = USA ? 

It's just daft to assume that a subset being targetted means that the entire set is at risk ... 

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the fund-raising arm for House Democrats, also said on Friday that its systems had been hacked. Together, the databases of the national committee and the House organization contain some of the party’s most sensitive communications and voter and financial data.

This happened yesterday. Looks to me like The Donald's call has been answered. If it can happen to the subset it can happen to the set.



Machiavellian said:
Chark said:

She didn't win 12 coin tosses. They were filmed and Bernie won some. She's been in positions of power for a while, it's not new. I would much rather she becomes president with the new democrat platform than for Trump to win and screw up the country, economy, foreign policy, etc. He has no idea what to do in office, at least not in a good sense.

I don't want Hillary. As a strong Bernie supporter I really didn't want to see her win. After the blatant bias up and down the DNC primary no one should be supporting her and the convention should have had more backlash to drop her. She should drop out, but it doesn't look like she is. Bernie is accepting the changes to the platform and working on the legislative seats. I may not be voting for Hillary, especially since I am in Texas and well...that's still not easily swinging blue so it wouldn't matter. Hillary would be a far better president than Trump, at least she knows what she is doing and has the experience. I don't think she should be in the position under the circumstances, but she would do a good job if she is in it. I agree with about 86% of her viewpoints/voting history even though I think she shouldn't be qualified to run and drop out. Trump is somewhere in the 20% range and that's just based off of the stuff he's said recently, because we know how fair weather his history in opinion is right?

This has nothing to do with HC more than it has to do with Bernie.  Bernie supporters forget that Bernie is not a Democrate.  He has stated this many times and his career is an independant.  The only reason he ran for the demo ticket is because as an indepentant he stood no chance of becoming president.  Yes, the DNC oppose him because he hasn't served one day as a democrate but he wants to join only for the pub.  Bernie is working for nobody but himself and his views.  He doesn't share a lot of dems views, calls them out and want to replace the system, only so that he as a non dem can have a better chance of winning.  

If Bernie supporters really want to support him, then why don't you form your own party.  Even Bernie isn't willing to go there because its way to much work and still a very low chance of succeeding.  The thing is, Berine wants all the power of the DNC but want to change it into his party.  So yes, the DNC wanted no part of Bernie and it should be absolutly no surprise that they viewed him as an outsider coming in to FUP their system.

I mean you can believe that kind of stuff if you want but I have no issue with a politician opting not to label himself when the state doesn't force him too...and neither did the democrats. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/feb/23/bernie-sanders-democrat/



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

bunchanumbers said:

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the fund-raising arm for House Democrats, also said on Friday that its systems had been hacked. Together, the databases of the national committee and the House organization contain some of the party’s most sensitive communications and voter and financial data.

This happened yesterday. Looks to me like The Donald's call has been answered. If it can happen to the subset it can happen to the set.

You dodged my question at hand ... 

Does DNC = USA or not ?



Hiku said:

1.) Obviously. Because it's quite simple to understand the concept of KKK, (not to mention the same leader he previously specified he had no interest in being affiliated with). Any normal person would clarify immediately that they at least don't want anything to do with KKK, and could look into the rest of the details later. But he did everything he could to avoid doing just that. Notice for example the last question specified both KKK and David Duke. Trump's response completely ignored the KKK part.
Same thing when he avoided to condemn the Trump supporters who beat up a homeless mexican in his name. That would be the first thing that comes to mind to any normal human being. This is not being caught off guard. Because it wasn't a reporter asking him about it. It was planned into his speech. That's calculated. And it shows a pattern with him.

2.) It's those methods of Sadam I'm refering to. He gets votes by citing ridiculous notions that sound good to people who don't understand the context. They want to hear Trump support easier ways to deal with terrorists which aren't any more realistic than Mexico paying for a supposed wall.
And the real context here is that many of those who Saddam considered terrorists are not considered terrorists by people outside of Saddam's circle.

"One side can see certain people as freedom fighters while others perceive them as terrorists. A case in point: Palestinian suicide bombers. Israel and the U.S. saw them as terrorists while Saddam' regime gave each suicide bomber's family a large gift of about $50,000."

Sadam was actually a huge supporter of what we define as terrorists.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/donald-trump-is-wrong-about-saddam-hussein/2016/07/09/f0d6ecfa-4532-11e6-88d0-6adee48be8bc_story.html

3.) Tell that to innocent families getting tortured. Because people get wrongfully accused every day.
There's a very good reason why international laws against war crimes are in place. One of them being protecting innocent people.
I'm sure some people want to nuke entire coiuntries, because "some times you have to make tough decisions". But most people understand that the ends don't justify certain horrible means.

4. I'm saying there's always sugar coating going on until power has been secured. That's why radical ideas like this should be especially alarming. Because always expect it to be handled in a worse way than how the candidate initially proposes it.

I'm calling them undocumented to illustrate the difficulty in locating and identifying them. Not to advert from the fact that they are in there illegally.
I don't have much against deporting illegal immigrants. But arresting an estimated 15 000 a day, every day for 2 years is something even Trump can't believe is realistic. But he says it anyway.

You don't have to read the whole documentation. But the first chapter "Trump on immigration" provides some facts such as how many illegal immigrants are estimated to be in the country, and that's where the 15 000 a day figure came from. And of course why his plan, along with other propositions he's made violates the constituon/amendments, etc.

Basically, he's saying many unrealistic things on pourpose, because it sounds good, and many don't understand the context.

5. You're right, and I agree. I didn't do a proper backcheck for that image before I posted it. If I did, I would have still posted it, but with a disclaimer saying "the image is possibly a made up quote. But I think it still applies quite well to Trump's tactics this election."
I've edited that into the post now.

1. I see you're still under the impression that Trump believes not disavowing the KKK immediately will gain him vore votes than he will scare away. Everyone knows Trump made a blunder, and everyone makes blunders under high-pressure situations. But only the delusional would reach the conclusion that satisfying KKK supporters would be beneficial in a presidential election.

2. Ah, the Washington Post. As unbiased as ever.

True, Saddam had terrorist ties of his own, but what Trump is saying is that keeping him in power would have been the lesser evil by far. He even clarified that "Saddam wasn't a good guy!," but of course the media and their foot soldiers are willing to do everything they can to make Trump appear sympathetic towards dictators. He is the new Hitler, after all.

3. Trump was never in favor of war crimes. What he has been saying is that waterboarding shouldn't be considered torture and that the laws may need to be changed in order to combat terrorism more effectively. Targeting relatives of terrorists would be one such method, which is why he wants to make it possible. One thing he never proposed however was "torturing families".

As for innocents getting caught in the crossfire, you have to cope with the reality that this happens all the time. Innocent people are jailed and ostracized for things they never committed and are the primary victims of terrorist attacks. There will never be perfect justice in this world, but there will always be means to minimize the suffering.

4. You are mistaking Trump for a dictator when you should view him as a businessman. Let's say that you want to sell your product for $100. The best way is to tell people "This thing is worth at least $150, but I'm willing to lower the price a bit if you give us something in return." You make high demands to convince the buyer that they've struck a bargain.

This is why Trump proposes so many "radical ideas". They are bargaining tools used to get him to his actual destination. He knows that he can't deport all illegal immigrants, and he knows that Mexico won't pay for the wall without a few concessions. He also knows that he can't ban all Muslims from entering the country, but the mere suggestion keeps his enemies on their toes.

5. Thank you.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Hiku said:

1.) Obviously. Because it's quite simple to understand the concept of KKK, (not to mention the same leader he previously specified he had no interest in being affiliated with). Any normal person would clarify immediately that they at least don't want anything to do with KKK, and could look into the rest of the details later. But he did everything he could to avoid doing just that. Notice for example the last question specified both KKK and David Duke. Trump's response completely ignored the KKK part.
Same thing when he avoided to condemn the Trump supporters who beat up a homeless mexican in his name. That would be the first thing that comes to mind to any normal human being. This is not being caught off guard. Because it wasn't a reporter asking him about it. It was planned into his speech. That's calculated. And it shows a pattern with him.

2.) It's those methods of Sadam I'm refering to. He gets votes by citing ridiculous notions that sound good to people who don't understand the context. They want to hear Trump support easier ways to deal with terrorists which aren't any more realistic than Mexico paying for a supposed wall.
And the real context here is that many of those who Saddam considered terrorists are not considered terrorists by people outside of Saddam's circle.

"One side can see certain people as freedom fighters while others perceive them as terrorists. A case in point: Palestinian suicide bombers. Israel and the U.S. saw them as terrorists while Saddam' regime gave each suicide bomber's family a large gift of about $50,000."

Sadam was actually a huge supporter of what we define as terrorists.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/donald-trump-is-wrong-about-saddam-hussein/2016/07/09/f0d6ecfa-4532-11e6-88d0-6adee48be8bc_story.html

3.) Tell that to innocent families getting tortured. Because people get wrongfully accused every day.
There's a very good reason why international laws against war crimes are in place. One of them being protecting innocent people.
I'm sure some people want to nuke entire coiuntries, because "some times you have to make tough decisions". But most people understand that the ends don't justify certain horrible means.

4. I'm saying there's always sugar coating going on until power has been secured. That's why radical ideas like this should be especially alarming. Because always expect it to be handled in a worse way than how the candidate initially proposes it.

I'm calling them undocumented to illustrate the difficulty in locating and identifying them. Not to advert from the fact that they are in there illegally.
I don't have much against deporting illegal immigrants. But arresting an estimated 15 000 a day, every day for 2 years is something even Trump can't believe is realistic. But he says it anyway.

You don't have to read the whole documentation. But the first chapter "Trump on immigration" provides some facts such as how many illegal immigrants are estimated to be in the country, and that's where the 15 000 a day figure came from. And of course why his plan, along with other propositions he's made violates the constituon/amendments, etc.

Basically, he's saying many unrealistic things on pourpose, because it sounds good, and many don't understand the context.

5. You're right, and I agree. I didn't do a proper backcheck for that image before I posted it. If I did, I would have still posted it, but with a disclaimer saying "the image is possibly a made up quote. But I think it still applies quite well to Trump's tactics this election."
I've edited that into the post now.

1. I see you're still under the impression that Trump believes not disavowing the KKK immediately will gain him vore votes than he will scare away. Everyone knows Trump made a blunder, and everyone makes blunders under high-pressure situations. But only the delusional would reach the conclusion that satisfying KKK supporters would be beneficial in a presidential election.

2. Ah, the Washington Post. As unbiased as ever.

True, Saddam had terrorist ties of his own, but what Trump is saying is that keeping him in power would have been the lesser evil by far. He even clarified that "Saddam wasn't a good guy!," but of course the media and their foot soldiers are willing to do everything they can to make Trump appear sympathetic towards dictators. He is the new Hitler, after all.

3. Trump was never in favor of war crimes. What he has been saying is that waterboarding shouldn't be considered torture and that the laws may need to be changed in order to combat terrorism more effectively. Targeting relatives of terrorists would be one such method, which is why he wants to make it possible. One thing he never proposed however was "torturing families".

As for innocents getting caught in the crossfire, you have to cope with the reality that this happens all the time. Innocent people are jailed and ostracized for things they never commited and are the primary victims of terrorist attacks. There will never be perfect justice in this world, but there will always be means to minimize the suffering.

4. You are mistaking Trump for a dictator when you should view him as a businessman. Let's say that you want to sell your product for $100. The best way is to tell people "This thing is worth at least $150, but I'm willing to lower the price a bit if you give us something in return." You make high demands to convince the buyer that they've struck a bargain.

This is why Trump proposes so many "radical ideas". They are bargaining tools used to get him to his actual destination. He knows that he can't deport all illegal immigrants, and he knows that Mexico won't pay for the wall without a few concessions. He also knew that he can't ban all Muslims from entering the country, but the mere suggestion keeps his enemies on their toes.

5. Thank you.

Well written. Thanks for doing your homework. A few good logical posts in sea a sea of crap bothers me but hopefully most ill or miss informed will refrain from voting.