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Forums - Politics Discussion - "Make America great again"... But when was America great?

 

America

Is greater than ever 42 18.92%
 
Was greater before 80 36.04%
 
Was never great 59 26.58%
 
"A horse with no na... 41 18.47%
 
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Teeqoz said:

Wasn't it pretty great during/after WW2? America does well during cataclysmic wars that fuck it up for the rest of the world.

EDIT: Haha, just saw the vid, and now I got the point

 

 

If you were white yes it was great then. Miniorties not so much. Man I would hate to have to live in a time where I can't date white girls.



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method114 said:
Teeqoz said:

Wasn't it pretty great during/after WW2? America does well during cataclysmic wars that fuck it up for the rest of the world.

EDIT: Haha, just saw the vid, and now I got the point

 

 

If you were white yes it was great then. Miniorties not so much. Man I would hate to have to live in a time where I can't date white girls.

Yeah, this is why Democrats just don't get the slogan: they're conflating racism with relative economic greatness of the US during the fifties and sixties.

I don't support Trump at all, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to exclude anybody on that 'greatness'.



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Birimbau said:
Arabs wrecked europe for 4 centuries, if it weren't the Crusades, EU would be a 99% muslim continent today.

Actually it was the Romans and Franks that stopped that from happening all the way back in the 700s.

OT: I always thought the country was great post civil war like the 1900 to 1930 or 1950s/60s and 1980s/90s. At those times the economy was booming.  Now not so much. 



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Compared to other countries which one do you think is better?



I don't live in USA and I am sure there was a time where the livability (if that word even exists) in USA compared to some other countries was better as it is now (Let's say USA vs. Denmark) but I doubt that the livability in USA now is worse as it was in the past in USA (for the average person)

What I also wonder is why so many Americans seem to fear to lose power compared to other countries. I never got that point. We have the same in Germany but for a much lesser degree. I just don't see how my life is so much better just because my country has power. People in Norway, Denmark and many other countries have a great life and their country has to say almost nothing on this planet.

Do the Danish sit after work on their couch and are like "nobody talks about my country, nobody fears my country and some might not even know my country, this affects my life so much"? No, they are like "life is good uhhh yeah"



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I've long thought "again" was the most insidious part of Trump's slogan. It implies America is no longer great, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to notice the dog-whistle politics embedded in that word. 

Look at what Trump has to say about Mexican immigrants, Muslims, American POWs, women, and the disabled. For Trump, a great America is a place where someone like him - intellectually incurious, misogynistic, racist, and fascist - can dominate without interruption. If America was ever great it was because we as a nation of self-governors moved away from the baser instincts Trump represents.



Leadified said:
MohammadBadir said:

Arabs went to America? 0.0

No. There are fringe theories that Arabs from Al-Andalus made it to America sometime in the 12th century but they're just theories. There are also theories that the Chinese, Irish, Bretons, Romans, Greeks, Phoenicians, Mali and Egyptians did the same.

It's not exactly a good example either. Sure they didn't wreck America, but what the Vikings did in Britain and the Arabs in India was not much better. if they had the chance, they would have done the same in America too.

The vikings called north america / Canada "ny vinland" (new country of wine).

That was around year 900 - 1000, some 500 years or so before Christopher Columbus.

They had settlements, and grew wine, and probably got okayish along with the natives (that probably just left them alone).



JRPGfan said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
There is so much jelly in this thread... so... much... jelly...

There used to be a time, when I could say and mean it "i really wanna live there (the usa)".

Today I dont think so anymore, Im happy where I am.

I honestly think the america I knew back in the early 90's was better off than it is today, back when Bill clinton was president.

This may be over simplifing it but, if someone is rich, there is no better country on earth to live in. If someone is poor and wants to get rich, again, there is no better country to live in. If, however, someone is poor and is going to remain poor for the rest of their lives, the US is a horrible place to live. Social services are almost nonexistent. Health care is still treated like a luxary. Great schools as well... it's just not a place to live if someone intends on living with government assistance.



JRPGfan said:
Leadified said:

No. There are fringe theories that Arabs from Al-Andalus made it to America sometime in the 12th century but they're just theories. There are also theories that the Chinese, Irish, Bretons, Romans, Greeks, Phoenicians, Mali and Egyptians did the same.

It's not exactly a good example either. Sure they didn't wreck America, but what the Vikings did in Britain and the Arabs in India was not much better. if they had the chance, they would have done the same in America too.

The vikings called north america / Canada "ny vinland" (new country of wine).

That was around year 900 - 1000, some 500 years or so before Christopher Columbus.

I'm aware that the Vikings have visited North America, I was referring to the Arabs.



AlfredoTurkey said:
JRPGfan said:

There used to be a time, when I could say and mean it "i really wanna live there (the usa)".

Today I dont think so anymore, Im happy where I am.

I honestly think the america I knew back in the early 90's was better off than it is today, back when Bill clinton was president.

This may be over simplifing it but, if someone is rich, there is no better country on earth to live in. If someone is poor and wants to get rich, again, there is no better country to live in. If, however, someone is poor and is going to remain poor for the rest of their lives, the US is a horrible place to live. Social services are almost nonexistent. Health care is still treated like a luxary. Great schools as well... it's just not a place to live if someone intends on living with government assistance.

^ thats actually a lie.

Europe is the place that "grows" most poor->rich, pr capita.

By alot, many more times than america, simply because getting a education is free here (and starting a bussiness is easier here).

I saw a video that asked a socialogical question "where is the best place in the world to get rich?".

The answear wasnt america.