Nintendo is doomed, a personal story.

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mjk45 on 27 July 2016

RolStoppable said:

Aeolus451 said:

That may be how you and a few others see it but no, that's not true for the ones who are saying it should go third party. Nintendo going third party is not nintendo is doomed. That's nonsense.

Well, in those cases it would simply be the expression of a wish that has no reasoning grounded in reality to it.

It is just another way of saying I want Nintendo games without buying their hardware.

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Paperboy_J on 27 July 2016

Gamers have been funny about Nintendo ever since PlayStation came into the picture. Gaming was suddenly "cool" and Nintendo just wasn't welcome anymore. Gaming became a different thing, a different "beast," if you will.

The way hardcore gamers currently feel about Nintendo is how they're always going to feel, no matter what Nintendo does. They try to come up with all these "reasons" why Nintendo has dropped the ball, but I call BS on all of it (well, most of it). There have been times where PlayStation was the weakest system on the market. There have been times where Microsoft went after the casual market. Sony has made gimmicky peripherals and has even abandoned systems (Vita, anyone?).

But all these things are quickly forgiven by hardcore gamers. Nintendo, on the other hand, their flaws are always blown up way out of proportion and made into their identity: "Nintendo makes gimmicks." "Nintendo hardware is always weak." But they're just excuses. These guys were never going to buy Nintendo's system anyway.

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vivster on 27 July 2016

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Some people just want to invest in a single system that plays all the games they want, and I totally respect that. In that way, it's perfectly reasonable for someone to want Super Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon on the same system as Mass Effect, Grand Theft Auto, and Assassin's Creed. However, I think it's a short-sighted and ultimately counter-productive dream, as Nintendo going third-party would probably diminish the greatness and, for lack of a better word, anotherness of its games.

And then there is a more insidious group of jealous and insecure video game fans who want Nintendo to fail or to come under the domination of another company. I think for some the success of Nintendo strikes at the heart of what they believe video games should be: mature, serious, and exclusively for the video game faithful.

Let's not forget the greatness of Star Fox which was only possible to be so glorious because it was on a Nintendo console.

Seriously, we're talking about video game developers here. If they are not able to produce quality software on systems that are not made by their parent company then they probably chose the wrong job anyway. I think the notion that Nintendo games on other platforms would lack quality is grosely inappropriate and condescending to the developers which games they pretend to enjoy.

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Veknoid_Outcast on 27 July 2016

vivster said:

Veknoid_Outcast said:

Some people just want to invest in a single system that plays all the games they want, and I totally respect that. In that way, it's perfectly reasonable for someone to want Super Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon on the same system as Mass Effect, Grand Theft Auto, and Assassin's Creed. However, I think it's a short-sighted and ultimately counter-productive dream, as Nintendo going third-party would probably diminish the greatness and, for lack of a better word, anotherness of its games.

And then there is a more insidious group of jealous and insecure video game fans who want Nintendo to fail or to come under the domination of another company. I think for some the success of Nintendo strikes at the heart of what they believe video games should be: mature, serious, and exclusively for the video game faithful.

Let's not forget the greatness of Star Fox which was only possible to be so glorious because it was on a Nintendo console.

Seriously, we're talking about video game developers here. If they are not able to produce quality software on systems that are not made by their parent company then they probably chose the wrong job anyway. I think the notion that Nintendo games on other platforms would lack quality is grosely inappropriate and condescending to the developers which games they pretend to enjoy.

Exactly. That's a perfect example. If Nintendo had built Star Fox 64 for Saturn or PlayStation would it have bothered with a rumble pak? If PSP hosted Star Fox Command would it still have download play? How could Nintendo replicate the local co-op mode in Star Fox Zero on PS4 without asking consumers to also buy a Vita? Would it even bother with local co-op on a system designed for online multiplayer and the extra income it affords?

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Aeolus451 on 27 July 2016

RolStoppable said:

Aeolus451 said:

YOU think it's doom and gloom. I don't. You're just trying to tie the "nintendo is doomed" rhetoric to people who want nintendo to go third party to give it a irrationally negative vibe to other nintendo people.

No, I am just telling you what the widely accepted definition of doom is.

There are Microsoft doom posts too, but they don't mean Microsoft as a company will die or that Microsoft will do nothing in gaming anymore. What Microsoft doom posts refer to is that Microsoft will stop to produce dedicated gaming hardware, the Xbox. Same thing for Sony. The Vita was declared doomed a lot before everyone stopped caring.

In other words, doom posts describe a dramatic change for a company, often portrayed as imminent or inevitable.

Just like how some silly butts think there's such a thing as 2nd party? There's several ways to look at what doom means. Anyway, onion saw the distiction between "nintendo is doomed" rhetoric and "pro nintendo goes 3rd party" people. It's not one in the same.