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RolStoppable said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Children are free one day, pets are never free until the day they die.

Pets have it better because they'll have a home and food provided to them for their whole life. On the other hand, children are supposed to move out.

Don't forget medical care



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Many dogs and cats live happily. Furthermore, like many people have already said, both of them are very domestic species at this point, so, if we freed them one day, what are they suppose to do? They could go to the forests and live as they wish, but I'm pretty sure a lot of them would remain inside the cities, living with worse sanitary conditions than they are doing right now with the proper care of many owners.



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Ka-pi96 said:

Yeah, sure those fluffy little kittens/puppies or whatever you have may be cute and all. But really think about it, you're holding another living being captive for your own personal pleasure. You're denying them the chance to live their own lives, the chance to choose and acquire their own food, the chance to do anything they want to do whenever they want to do it and possibly even the chance to reproduce as well. And that's the people who don't abuse their pets, for those it's so much worse...

How do you justify it? Can you even justify it?

All my pets live in the wild, yo. 

Part of the bunker's roof collapsed a while back, so we've converted it to an open-ceilinged aviary.  Some of the birds hop onto my finger or shoulder if I whistle; not because they must but because they choose to.  A number of animals come here for sanctuary when a bad storm hits, and some of them have taken a liking to my family and the Project.  They come and go as they please, taught a few of them tricks, and a bunch respond to various verbal prompts.  Oh yeah, and then there's the family of dolphins that bonded with us after we rescued one.

None are captive.  None are denied their own lives.  All choose and acquire their own food.  They do what they want whenever they want and we don't interfere with their breeding. 



There wouldn't be any dogs or domestic cats if it weren't for humans...



Ka-pi96 said:
V-r0cK said:
It's cause we 'ef'd' up their environment by building houses and buildings that it is our duty to at least take care of them...or at least take care of the cute ones :P

On a side note speaking of pets: My friend had to give his pet parrot away to a farm because his new place wouldn't allow pets, only for my friend to find a Kijiji ad that's looking for a lost parrot a few months later lol.

Why discriminate against the ugly ones?

I'm not, society is.  Just look at your common pet store and their 'selective' pets. 

I think raccoons are cool but probably not everybody thinks so and likely wont see them at a pet store.



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What I find more 'morally reprehensible' are people going around, trying to find new things to find 'morally reprehensible'. This overload of PC bullshit is going to end up having an opposite effect because you can only squeeze someone's life so far. At some people, people are going to go "fuck it" and just live their lives the way they want to.



Ka-pi96 said:
RolStoppable said:

Isn't that what it means to raise children?

Children are free one day, pets are never free until the day they die.

How about mentally challenged individuals who can't feed themselves or take care of themselves at all? They are still human after all and can be pretty much compared to that of a pet due to the inoperability of taking care of ones self.

I think it is justified to have pets so long as they are comfortable and happy in their environment, isn't that the whole purpose of life, leisure and happiness? It can't be morally wrong to feed, nurture, and bathe an animal that you are caring for.

I like these types of questions though, they question what we normally view as being OK.



Ka-pi96 said:
RolStoppable said:

Isn't that what it means to raise children?

Children are free one day, pets are never free until the day they die.

You must be very bored today.



Hmm. You know, I say we hijack this thread and turn it into a more interesting discussion: if an individual has a higher quality of life and enjoys life more and prefers to be a slave, is it then unethical to have that individual as a slave?



I would like to apologize for sheltering an animal from the diseases and predators that would consume them in the wild, as well as offering them companionship and food that doesn't need to be hunted down first. It was morally reprehensible to treat an animal like a member of my family.



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