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If Nintendo wants Nvidia to stay quiet, they will stay quiet.

I've been following Nintendo for 20+ years, I've followed every one of their systems announced from the N64 onwards (announced in 1993 as Project: Reality), and I will say NX is the most secretive *by far*.

We've gotten basically nothing/nada on it for almost 18 freaking months.

It's likely Nintendo has told Nvidia not to say anything, besides if it was known well in advance that a Nvidia Tegra chip was linked to Nintendo it would've been easy to speculate about the nature of the system since that is not a home processor.

AMD doesn't have great experience with mobile chips by the way. They have the Mullins chip which is even more obscure than the Tegra. Nvidia has considerably more experience and a more proven architecture for a device that's supposed to be carried around on the go and isn't a giant laptop. Nvidia was already commited to making a Tegra X2/Parker chip too, AMD basically has nothing in the pipeline that's comparable. 

People need to let AMD go, besides of the contract wins that AMD was talking about, PS4 Neo, XBox Scorpio, and XBox One S basically do account for the three contracts they could have been talking about.

The whole "it makes more sense for Nintendo to ... XYZ" is tiresome, Nintendo doesn't give a fuck what makes sense, they march to the beat of their own drum. If we went by that logic the Wii wouldn't exist because nothing about it made sense to the average core gamer beforehand. Neither would the DS for that matter, because it wouldn't make "sense" to waste money on a second screen when the need to compete head with the PSP or Sony could take their portable market away, blah, blah, blah. Nintendo never operates in a straight forward way. 



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Back in May, SemiAccurate made an article (I'm affraid that it's subscribers only) where they reported that Nvidia would be powering Nintendo's NX. Luckily, someone at NeoGAF made a thread about it and detailed the main reasons for that deal:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1218933

  • Though Nvidia downplayed console margins, their pride was hurt by the loss in console contracts. All the talk about "focusing on Shield" was a cover for the fact that MS and Sony had soured on them and would not enter negotiations.
  • Nvidia team was told to get a console win or "go home." Enter Nintendo, who apparently made off very well in this deal. This to the point that SemiAccurate questions whether this is a "win" at all for Nvidia.
  • SA has heard that Nvidia are promising software, support, and the whole shebang at a very low cost. According to one source, Nvidia may even be taking a loss on this deal. (Take the second sentence here with an extra portion of salt)
  • Not mentioned which generation of Tegra or which process node will be used or when the handheld is scheduled for release.
  • No mention of the home console, but we can speculate what that might be and who might provide the chipset for that one.

 

After what Eurogamer revealed, this article gets more credibility points.



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archbrix said:
JustBeingReal said:
SuperMetaldave64 makes some great points in his latest video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ4AlnlYenc

He talks about how Eurogamer were wrong about the specs of the Vita and 3DS.
Eurogamer claimed the Nintendo DS2 (which turned out to be the 3DS) would have an NVidia Tegra 2 processor, in the end it had a PICA200 and Eurogamer said Sony PSP2 (which became the PS Vita) would have an IMG, though final Vita ended up having a PowerVR Chip, so we can't take Eurogamer or the sources involved in this recent rumor as fact.

Dave also points out that NVidia hasn't revealed that they have won any gaming console or handheld hardware business, there's no connection between Nintendo and NVidia. While it's possible that Nvidia could be keeping quiet about any involvement with Nintendo it's not likely that they would keep quiet about general business within the gaming space.
It makes little sense for NVidia to not say anything about making money anywhere.

Yeah, I saw that video last night.  Good points.  We have nothing about design wins from NVidia and yet AMD has stated they have several related to the game space.

But it's hard to believe that so many sources would be so blatantly wrong on this... unless Nintendo leaked false info intentionally?  

Like some sources say, that x1 could just be a place holder so devs can get a taste of what the power that will be in it. I mean that chip will be almost 2 years old by the time the nx launches. After zen and polaris im pretty sure amd has something maybe just as powerfull but cheaper, while it dosent need to be, as long as it rivals the wii u. It just dosent make sense for nintendo to go nvidia, recent news just promotes amd going for the best price to performance and that is wht nintendo will probably seek.



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Really interesting that they are going for Nvidia as their IHV partner if that's true but it's not a surprise since they have a lot more experience than AMD does in low powered chips and holds technical superiority in terms of perf/watt which holds the key for getting higher performance in smaller form factors ...

That being said I'm extremely interested in what Nintendo will produce with the advanced feature sets of the Maxwell architecture and even the Pascal architecture when they have some goodies not found in current consoles like conservative rasterization ...



so NeoGaf eventully made a thread about it and translated some stuff;

 

"It's not, dude.But I don't want to compromise anyone, I saw the prototype's pictures, some people also saw them but no one can leak anything.

Microsoft already knows how it's going to work, and is preparing for its future consoles to have the possibility of increasing their capacities using modules.

 

It's just you guys still didn't get the modular concept, understand that it's possible to increase the console's capacity upgrading the expansion modules. Basically if someone wants the "basic console" it'll play stuff at 720p and 30 fps in its portable form. If they want to play on the TV they can use the expansion module that works as an external egpu with the graphical power of a PS4. If they want something better, Nintendo may release a egpu model for 4K TVs.

 

Remember that current consoles are going to have different versions and the industry is going down the PC and smartphones' road, where games run at different graphical configurations.

 

Did you get it now, the modular concept?

The egpus are like cartridges that fit in the portable console.

 

You can even see that Nvidia stopped production of their Tegra chip for cellphones and there won't be a new Shield. Nvidia already released their new Pascal GPUs and didn't release their Tegra version of Pascal for their new Shield, because there won't be a new Shield as Nvidia got a deal with Nintendo.

 

The other point is that Nvidia has the technology already working for the concept of a egpu and that facilitated the production of the NX so it can play in portable form using inferior graphics and when you connect it to the Dock *that works like a cartridge and increases its graphical capacity*

 

I'll say it again that Microsoft is going to release that technology for Scorpion, that can have its graphical power increased.

 

I don't know if Sony will do it too with the PS4 Neo, nothing leaked from Sony. Just that it'd be more potent, but Sony changed things on Neo, I don't know if they will also use modules to increase its graphical capacity.

 

**I also don't know if Nintendo will really want to have different expansion modules, it hasn't been confirmed yet if it'll release day one or they'll release it when any game need it**

 

The idea is to use different accessories to certain games and increase the possibilities of VR, and try and make the console like a PC, as it can increase it's graphical capacities while reusing old parts

 

Got some new info about NX.

Nintendo games released on Smartphone will have some kind of connectivity with games on the NX. As an example, I can catch Pokemon on my phone, or get get someone else's player info if getting close to them while on the mall, then when I get home I can use those Pokemon I got and battle those I met while walking with my phone.."

 

 

 

TL:DR version--Upgradable consoles via addons, reusing old tech but boosting graphical capability via expansions(according to what someone can afford), while allowing the handheld part to play downgraded versions of the games on the go.  Microsoft may adopt something similar for Scorpio as they got wind of what Nintendo planned.

Again this info was released before Eurogamer and said that the leak would be posted two months after this, an d they have.



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Another thing that speaks for a 720p 16:9 screen is that you need the same form factor as a tv unless you can live with black bars. 720p allows for easy transport of the best WiiU games.



So... how does those expansion cards deal with CPU bottlenecks? Or memory bandwidth problems?



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Guys is this a typo? i don't quite get this detail

"A base unit, or dock station, is used to connect the brain of the NX - within the controller - to display on your TV."

The brain of the console is in the controller, the same controller that are described as detachable?



Wyrdness said:
archbrix said:

Yeah, I saw that video last night.  Good points.  We have nothing about design wins from NVidia and yet AMD has stated they have several related to the game space.

But it's hard to believe that so many sources would be so blatantly wrong on this... unless Nintendo leaked false info intentionally?  

Sources can be anyone, no offence to anyone but don't mistake the word source for someone who actually is involved with a project or is actually credible.

... or exists at all.



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I think that there is an error of analysis in the equation…
In spite of its energy efficiency, X will tegra it remains a large electricity consumer… One will need a large battery, therefore a large portable console, with according to eurogamers, an active cooling system!

The market of the portables aims mainly young people… Will Nintendo try to sell to the parents a portable with 300€? There is nona direction… There is not really again concept…

I think that tegra X will it is not in the portable part, I think that tegra X will it will be in the fixed part (connected to the TV) that the lever will be close to the illustration of eurogamers, it will be a small screen device (see a smartphone or in any case compatible 4G) with 2 “Mix of Wiimote/nunch” which would be attachable on the sides of the small device, This device will be probably also equipped with Nvidia equipment but much less powerful than X1 will tegra it (the k1 if my memory is good, approximately 300 GFLOPS) and of ARM to ensure autonomy… the screen device (or the smartphone) + controllers detachable will form a portable console.

But I think that they will have there a system of cloud and of streaming gaming between the part fixes (container will tegra X1 + Hard drive) and the screen device , a system allowing to exploit home's games  in streaming the portable part via wifi and Internet thus unbounded of distance starting from a connection wifi.

In short:

A fixed part, comforts home console and personal server equipped with will tegra X, hard drive, and of ports cartouche a moving part which will be a screen device or a smartphone with approximately 300 GFLOPS for graphics, but able to receive/send data or a flow streaming via wifi (see 4G) towards / from the fixed part. The last part being the pad which seems to be made up of two Wiimotes news, probably with stick analogical, which sticks on the screen device /smartphone  to form a portable console or a gamepad…

In this manner, Nintendo will continue to make games smartphone, games portable, games living room but all will leave on NX…