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SubiyaCryolite said:
...... need pricing info......

Based on what's described here, I think $299.99 is most likely, though $249.99 could be possible if they reallllllllllllly pushed it. Maybe something in between like $269.99. 



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Sh1nn said:

WiiU - 176GF
360 - 240GF
Xbox One - 1.3TF
PS4 - 1.8TF
Stock Tegra X1 (NX) - 512GF

There's a major problem in using NVidia Floating Point Performance when compared to the AMD components in those consoles, both companies measure their end performance differently and Flops don't tell the whole story.

Looking at the GTX 750ti compared to the HD 7870 (a bigger GPU than what's in PS4) the 750ti is meant to only have 1306GFlops, the  7870 has 2560 GFlops, yet both are very close in end gaming performance, plus the GTX 750 ti gets better performance per watt.

The games developed for the Tegra X1 in Shield and other tablets aren't developed with Vulkan or some other more modern, balanced and mutlithreaded API, so NX could in reality hit closer to XB1 than people are thinking, then there's the very real possibility that this rumor could be a small part of the picture, like maybe NX has another component for home or the SOC in these rumors isn't the final chip to be used in NX or the base station also features another Tegra X1 to help put out a better quality experience when you're home.

 

Even if the gap between PS4/XB1 and NX was accurate based on those pure flop numbers NX in these rumors isn't a pure home console, so direct comparisions don't really make much sense.

I doubt Nintendo are using a straight copy of the Tegra X1 chip, it's probably had modifications, though tbh I'm also doubtful that they're even using an NVidia part, especially when they've had a great business relationship with AMD for 3 console generations and AMD can provide for their handheld/console needs with complete products for their processing requirements.



JWeinCom said:
MikeRox said:

Indeed. Sony came oh so close until they forgot to put the HDMI output on the Vita. Fingers crossed this turns out to be true. There is certainly the grunt in mobile hardware now as the Vita was already pretty close to where it needs to be over 4 years ago.

PSP was the only (mainstream) handheld to plug into TV. I used to have all the other options mind and loved it.

But I meant 1 device functioning great as a handheld and home console.

PSP you had to hold the console itself rather than use a separate control pad. Apart from with the PSP Go, but that buggered it up by all the best psp games not being on the digital store.

 

PSTV shows the functionality I would like from a handheld console connecting to a TV.

 

As for the nomad, that battery life means it was never a portable XD



RIP Dad 25/11/51 - 13/12/13. You will be missed but never forgotten.

Now if we only got that supplemental device to beef up the power of the NX so that the core device is cheap and affordable for everyone but if people like me want an improved experience paying more they let us purchase them so the device can have specs on par with the competition...



They could be using the Tegra X2/Parker chip instead, that is the new Nvidia chip they are reportedly showing at the end of August this year.

The Tegra X1 is fairly old by this point. Though with Nintendo who knows.

Maybe it could have two power modes ... 

Portable mode (400 GFLOP; resolution is reduced to 960x540 or 640x480, some effects can be reduced, consumes 6-10 watts/hour). 

Home mode plugged in to wall (ramps up to 800 GFLOP-1 TFLOP, 720p-1080p resolution depending on the game consumes 16-20 watts/hour). 



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JWeinCom said:
jason1637 said:

I know the 3DS has online but most people dont play online 3ds games on the go when their connection isnt very stable but might meet up with a friend to trade or battle. Pokemon fans have showed that they are interested in Pokemon HD and playing it on homeconsoles just look at how well pokken has done. Pokemon fans are interested in HD pokemon on a home console its just that the Pokemon company hasnt delivered.

It would still be hard for the NX to sell 40 million if it was a new home console and came in this late in the generation. Those that are still looking for a home console would  see the ps4/xb1 more appealing because of the third party support is pretty much guaranteed compared to them buying the NX with the risk of it losing third parties like the Wii u.  I agree that Nintendo should have just rode the next two years and released a new console but it seems like they are not doing that so by having a hybrid console isnt bad.

For those that want a home console experience Nintendo consoles arent the place to go anymore unless your a hardcore fan. Nintendo seems to going after casuals and still pleassing their hardcore home console fans/handheld fans. This way is probably a lot easier to get that 40 million users than having a dedicated home console.

The 3DS's crappy online has nothing to do with it being a portable.  The Wii U also has crap online, as did the Wii.  There's no reason you need to make it a home console in order to make serviceable online games.  This is especially not an issue with Pokemon, which is a turn based game, where lag has no actual impact on the gameplay.  Pokken is a completely different genre of game, and is doing alright, but is not a huge success.  Pokken selling (maybe) a million copies doesn't mean that's what people want from the mainline games.  For comparison, Paper Mario: Sticker Star sold over 2 million copies, which doesn't mean that's the way fans want the series to go.

If you're arguing that third party support is a risk, then I don't know why you'd want them to go with an expensive format, and underpowered graphics.  This is basically a guarantee that third party support will be gone.  If they go with X86 architecture and power similar to the PS4, then there would be little reason to not support the NX. 

This thing could sell 40 million units, but they could have sold 40 million with a straight up 3DS successor, which could have been far more optimized for a handheld.   The fact that it's a hybrid really wouldn't help matters at all.  

The 3DS and Wii online is pretty bad but the Wii U has a solid online service. Its not as good as PSN or XBLive but its a decent online service. Also the reception of Pokken was a lot better than Sticker Star and there are people that enjoy sticker star. Pokken is doing really well. According to NPD it has already outsold SFV and Street Fighter is an established ip.

If the system sells well and is decently powered then the system will sell well. There is a rumor saying its only a little bit weaker than the xbox one which means third parties is still a possible. Since this is a hybrid it already a given that it will sell 20 million in Japan alone and 10 million here in the US.

There are Nintendo fans that only play consoles so by having a hybrid the hardcore console fans will buy, the hardcore handheld fans will buy, and so will the casuals.



Sounds like another hand held...



Sounds like another hand held...



To be honest, I think Wii U honestly killed Nintendo's dedicated home console division. It was the final nail in the coffin, Nintendo was never going to do the whole "lets make a PS4 Neo/Scorpio killer" thing either anyway because the GameCube failed trying that strategy.

Either they needed some kind of new unbelievable gimmick to fall into their lap and even that, VR is probably the new big gimmick for the industry, and Sony got to that first and it doesn't fit into Nintendo's needs for various reasons (expensive, not kid friendly, not family gaming centric).

Utilizing chip advances in the mobile field to create a hybrid device I think was always the fall back plan.

They can make a lot of money taking a 30% cut off all Android apps ... I think that Nikkei report was always correct and Nintendo is using Android (albiet a forked, custom version of it where they control the eStore). Nikkei has been right about almost everything they report about Nintendo. 



Is tegra SLI possible?