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RolStoppable said:
DanneSandin said:

I'm still not sure if I agree with you. On one hand you say that casuals are ready to fork out money for top quality games, on the other hand you're saying that if free games exists on the same console that will create a mind set where the consumer isn't willing to pay a dime,,, On one hand I can agree with you; I rarely buy a game for full price on Steam because of all the sales they have, but I'm still willing to pay 60 bucks for Zelda on the Wii U... Maybe you are right after all... 

Sure, that might seem contradictory, but the reason why some people would like Android on NX is that that way Nintendo or any other serious game developer wouldn't need to bother with the casuals. At least that's how I imagine it.

But beyond that, and that will be the more satisfying explanation, casuals consist of different demographics; that's why I don't like the term "casuals" to begin with, because it lumps so many different groups of people together. What I talked about in the previous post are exclusively adults, hence the mention of a lack of time, but not a lack of wealth. If we look at kids, we get the inverse: Lots of time, but lack of funds. Since kids still have to form their opinions about how things work in life, it's dangerous for a business like Nintendo to get them used to the idea that there's an abundance of free content on every device and that games should be free. While I usually speak out against segregation, in this specific case it is very much necessary to draw a clear line between how the ecosystems of a smartphone and a dedicated video game platform work.

This isn't only in the interest of Nintendo, but also every third party developer who releases games on the eShop. Nintendo will have a hard time attracting more eShop content when developers suddenly have to compete against hundreds/thousands of free game apps due to Android on NX. Developers choose dedicated gaming platforms for game publishing precisely because it offers them a realistic chance to create quality content; that's because consumers do not raise an eyebrow when there's a price tag on a game, so it's no issue at all to charge money for games.

but kids these days are growing up with free games, won't this effect their perception later down the road as well? Or are you arguing that they will come to realize that some games DO cost money and they will accept that?



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Looks like Emily wasn't full of it this time.



Developers/Nintendo already have to compete with freemium games. That war is on their doorstep whether they want it or not. There is no kid who doesn't know what Angry Birds or Clash of Clans are or hasn't played free mobile games. 

Nintendo's bet with NX I think is they can't beat this, but they can profit from it themselves, and maybe at least have a voice in the sea change.

If kids start downloading "free" games on NX like crazy, Nintendo will take their 30% cut of all app revenue, which will likely be immense, probably more than the 3DS and Wii U make now off licensing fees even if NX is successful as nothing but a cheapo kids gaming tablet. 

Then if Nintendo can get a few of those kids to buy "full price" games now and again, that's a win for them, better to have something than nothing.

They may also have to experiment with different pricing tiers. There should be $19.99 games. And $9.99 games. And $29.99 games, and not just used titles or games that are on sale.

Little Johnny consuming his Angry Birds and Minecraft and (yes) Pokemon Go on an NX is beneficial to Nintendo, and they can get him to buy even a full priced game like Mario Kart 10 even once a year .... that's better than the alternative for Nintendo (which is sit around and watch mobile erode their entire kids audience). Much better. 



I am so seeing this happen, a underpowered home console but powerfull handheld that is going to look pretty good as a handheld but since Nvidia and Nintendo both want to make a profit is going to be wayyy to expensive to be sold to anyone except long-life nintendo fans who would buy anything to play their favourite games.

Its been the same for me since the gamecube (apart from NDS/3DS) YES I love nintendo games but NO not enough to buy consoles I do not want. And if a handheld costs more then $200 I do not want it. And it the console is not a success at the beginning, I probably won't want it once it is $200 and once again abandoned by all third parties....




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You get what you pay for.

If you want "cheap", then you can have a weak-ass chip and a shitty quality screen, but hey you saved $50 on something that you probably will be using for 5 years.

Which means you saved yourselves a whopping 83 cents per month. You can't even buy a cheeseburger from McDonalds with that. 

You can't seriously expect to have anything but a piece of shit hardware wise that's compromised up the ying yang for $199.99, people need to understand inflation is a thing too. Just like you can't buy a Coca-Cola for 75 cents anymore, you can't expect $200 to be the defacto hold price for game portables forever and ever and ever. 

The Super NES launched at $199.99 in 1991, today that would be almost $353. Inflation happens. 

I'd rather pay $250 or even $300 for a reasonably decent piece of hardware with a reasonably nice quality screen (that is the freaking thing you'll be staring at for hundreds of hours).

This is not the 3DS-2, this is going to have the carry the *entire* Nintendo traditional gaming brand forwards (CONSOLE and portable). People dying for a $199.99 price are out to lunch, the only thing you're going to get at that price is a piece of shit hardware compromised in every which way which in 2 years you'll be wishing had a better quality chipset or more RAM or a screen that didn't look it was from your grandma's 2003-era portable DVD player. 



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Soundwave said:

You get what you pay for.

If you want "cheap", then you can have a weak-ass chip and a shitty quality screen, but hey you saved $50 on something that you probably will be using for 5 years.

Which means you saved yourselves a whopping 83 cents per month. You can't even buy a cheeseburger from McDonalds with that. 

You can't seriously expect to have anything but a piece of shit hardware wise that's compromised up the ying yang for $199.99, people need to understand inflation is a thing too. Just like you can't buy a Coca-Cola for 75 cents anymore, you can't expect $200 to be the defacto hold price for game portables forever and ever and ever. 

The Super NES launched at $199.99 in 1991, today that would be almost $353. Inflation happens. 

I'd rather pay $250 or even $300 for a reasonably decent piece of hardware with a reasonably nice quality screen (that is the freaking thing you'll be staring at for hundreds of hours).

This is not the 3DS-2, this is going to have the carry the *entire* Nintendo traditional gaming brand forwards (CONSOLE and portable). People dying for a $199.99 price are out to lunch, the only thing you're going to get at that price is a piece of shit hardware compromised in every which way which in 2 years you'll be wishing had a better quality chipset or more RAM or a screen that didn't look it was from your grandma's 2003-era portable DVD player. 

 

I think people just want Nintendo games, they don't give a crap about the hardware, it's just an obstacle in the way of what we actually want, that's why it should be cheap. If people are fine with 3DS level graphics, then I don't think anyone is going to complain about Wii U level hardware.



RolStoppable said:
DanneSandin said:

but kids these days are growing up with free games, won't this effect their perception later down the road as well? Or are you arguing that they will come to realize that some games DO cost money and they will accept that?

I am saying that kids will come to accept that some games do have to cost money, provided Nintendo gives people reasons to buy their hardware. If Nintendo fails at that, their core business is at a much higher risk than just being able to sell their own hardware.

Subsequently, Sony and Microsoft's consoles will be at risk, because for a long time they have drawn kids and teenagers away from Nintendo with the marketing for "mature" gaming. This really affects the entire dedicated video game market, so Sony and Microsoft will be rooting for Nintendo to succeed, even if they won't publicly say it. Although I vaguely remember a Sony executive saying something along those lines in the past. Nintendo failure isn't good for Sony, but they of course don't want Nintendo to be more than a minor player who attracts the PS gamers of the future.

What you're saying is that if kids learn to play free games on a Nintendo console, this will spell disaster for Sony and MS as well since these kids will want free games on those consoles as well?

Yes, I also remember a Sony executive saying somehting like that



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malistix1985 said:
I am so seeing this happen, a underpowered home console but powerfull handheld that is going to look pretty good as a handheld but since Nvidia and Nintendo both want to make a profit is going to be wayyy to expensive to be sold to anyone except long-life nintendo fans who would buy anything to play their favourite games.

Its been the same for me since the gamecube (apart from NDS/3DS) YES I love nintendo games but NO not enough to buy consoles I do not want. And if a handheld costs more then $200 I do not want it. And it the console is not a success at the beginning, I probably won't want it once it is $200 and once again abandoned by all third parties....

While some don't like to admit it, you are in the majority of core gamers.  They have fond memories of Nintendo, like their characters, and enjoy playing their games at a friend's house every once and awhile, but the lack of 3rd party support and lesser HW just kills the desire to own their recent systems.

So, unless this thing is cheap enough, like under $200, the core gamers aren't going to be there.  And casuals will stick with their phones/tablets.



I watched Super Metal Dave's response to the Digital Foundry article. He pointed out something I forgot about. Before the 3DS launched, they posted a similar article stating that they had multiple sources telling them the 3DS was being powered by a Nvidia Tegra. He also pointed out that there is nothing in Nvidia's financial that points to any semi custom design wins. I'm gonna wait for Nintendo's official announcement. I beyond tired of all the NX rumors at this point.



Darc Requiem said:

I watched Super Metal Dave's response to the Digital Foundry article. He pointed out something I forgot about. Before the 3DS launched, they posted a similar article stating that they had multiple sources telling them the 3DS was being powered by a Nvidia Tegra. He also pointed out that there is nothing in Nvidia's financial that points to any semi custom design wins. I'm gonna wait for Nintendo's official announcement. I beyond tired of all the NX rumors at this point.

This, I recall Nvidia saying they're not involved in any platform as well.